[SprCForr]

If this proves true, then it's sad that our top man failed to conduct himself in the manner he demands of his subordinates. Such poor judgement is unacceptable.

[Brenda]

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They include relationships of an emotional, romantic or sexual nature.

Can anyone explain to me how you can avoid an emotional relationship with your staff/co-workers while in combat?

I would think that that is one of the most important things to have, for no one would care about one another otherwise?

[Proculation]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Proculation Proculation:

Maybe that would explain the first incident, if you have a twisted mind

No not a twisted mind, this stuff goes on all the time, her this man is defending his country's interests. It's easy here is sit on your ass in a nice comfy chair and type out the PC version of what you would like to see.

It's onother thing to be overseas in a foreign land in a very foreign culture getting shot having to make life and death decisions all the time.

I'm not condoning what he did, you can cut him some slack.

That's not really what I meant...
We talk about "discharging a armed weapon twice while it was being cleaned up", remember

[SprCForr]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

They include relationships of an emotional, romantic or sexual nature.

Can anyone explain to me how you can avoid an emotional relationship with your staff/co-workers while in combat?

I would think that that is one of the most important things to have, for no one would care about one another otherwise?

Reporter fucked it up. Like usual.

[Freakinoldguy]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

They include relationships of an emotional, romantic or sexual nature.

Can anyone explain to me how you can avoid an emotional relationship with your staff/co-workers while in combat?

Professionalism, which is the one thing this senior officer put aside to assuage his need for companionship.

[Proculation]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

They include relationships of an emotional, romantic or sexual nature.

Can anyone explain to me how you can avoid an emotional relationship with your staff/co-workers while in combat?

Professionalism, which is the one thing this senior officer put aside to assuage his need for companionship.

Very good point.

He was the one commanding all our troops in Afghanistan and made 2 big mistakes.

Being a general is not only being in command. It's 'politics' too. You need to have a good image.

[Brenda]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

They include relationships of an emotional, romantic or sexual nature.

Can anyone explain to me how you can avoid an emotional relationship with your staff/co-workers while in combat?

Professionalism, which is the one thing this senior officer put aside to assuage his need for companionship.

Professionalism = emotional relationship, or you're a not-caring Hitler.

I can see your point, but what you say is the romantic relationship. That I can understand (although I do not agree), the sexual relationship, I can understand (although I do not agree). But I don't think you can expect from any human being to not get involved in an emotional relationship with anyone. I would think you, as senior officer, should have an emotional relationship with all your staff...
You have to trust them, they have to trust you, you have to be able to share your emotions with someone. Especially in a situation like that.

[Proculation]

Hitler was not emotional ???

[Brenda]

Proculation Proculation:

Hitler was not emotional ???

Yeah, very But he only cared about himself...
Hmmm, maybe I should change it to Kim Yong Il?

[Proculation]

Brenda Brenda:

Proculation Proculation:

Hitler was not emotional ???

Yeah, very But he only cared about himself...
Hmmm, maybe I should change it to Kim Yong Il?

hahaha I don't even think he has a sex life

[Freakinoldguy]

Brenda Brenda:

Professionalism = emotional relationship, or you're a not-caring Hitler.

I can see your point, but what you say is the romantic relationship. That I can understand (although I do not agree), the sexual relationship, I can understand (although I do not agree). But I don't think you can expect from any human being to not get involved in an emotional relationship with anyone. I would think you, as senior officer, should have an emotional relationship with all your staff...
You have to trust them, they have to trust you, you have to be able to share your emotions with someone. Especially in a situation like that.

I agree it happens more often than people think. But the truth of the matter is that you can't have relationships like this, especailly between higher and lower ranks for he simple fact that it breeds a toxic environment in the rest of the unit.

If this General couldn't follow the non fraternization policy like his troops and keep it in his pants till at least he got home on leave, he's not the type of level headed commanding officer I'd want leading me or my troops.

So I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no one is condeming him for being sexually active or romantically involved, since that's human nature. What they're relieving him for is, poor judgement,disobedience of a standing order and a percieved lack of leadership ability.

The interesting thing is that if the fraternization policy is the same as when I was in, it's the senior rank in the relationship that gets relieved and posted

[Brenda]

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o I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no one is condeming him for being sexually active or romantically involved, since that's human nature. What they're relieving him for is, poor judgement,disobedience of a standing order and a percieved lack of leadership ability.

Oh, I totally agree with you, but my point is basically: How can anyone (including the military) expect people to not be emotional involved with eachother. I hope it is like SprcForr said, and the reporter made a stupid comment...

[Freakinoldguy]

Brenda Brenda:

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o I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no one is condeming him for being sexually active or romantically involved, since that's human nature. What they're relieving him for is, poor judgement,disobedience of a standing order and a percieved lack of leadership ability.

Oh, I totally agree with you, but my point is basically: How can anyone (including the military) expect people to not be emotional involved with eachother. I hope it is like SprcForr said, and the reporter made a stupid comment...

People do become emotionally involved all the time in the military. The difference is that they know to draw the line before it becomes a relationship and keep their feelings to themselves.

Thousands of other military people have hadthese same feelings and emotions without acting on them, so why should this guy be cut some serious slack?

Another interesting thing is that most of the time once these people are removed from the environment their feeling for each other evaporate.

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

o I guess the point I'm trying to make is that no one is condeming him for being sexually active or romantically involved, since that's human nature. What they're relieving him for is, poor judgement,disobedience of a standing order and a perceived lack of leadership ability.

Oh, I totally agree with you, but my point is basically: How can anyone (including the military) expect people to not be emotional involved with eachother. I hope it is like SprcForr said, and the reporter made a stupid comment...

You can't - you do become emotionally involved. You like your subordinates, you become friends, and you always generally care about them.

It is important, however, that that emotional attachment is tempered by a professional detachment lest favoritism becomes perceived.

[ShepherdsDog]

You have to be able to give the order that could place your friends life in danger, or possibly sacrifice it.