[herbie]

Don't be ashamed to be a Canadian. Be ashamed to be represented by nutless ass kissers in Ottawa.
Aw gee he broke an American law. And we all know we're not a real country! Americans tell us what to do and what laws to obey. Let's extradite people for downloading music next. That's illegal in the USA too.
When Iran asks us to extradite some journalist because they think his article violated Iranian anti-blasphemy laws, we'll say NO. And show we have balls.

This isn't about whether marijuana is good or bad, or how much an asshole Emery is.
It's about our gov't enforcing foreign laws on our citizens in our country.
Big shame on everyone who can't see that, big shame on Emery for never contesting that issue in his drive to attain martyrdom, on his supporters for not mentioning that issue in their blindness to see that national sovereignty and the rule of law is a bigger issue than their pot cause (even though I support their cause 100%).

[PublicAnimalNo9]

commanderkai commanderkai:

B) The distribution/cultivation of cannabis is still illegal in Canada.

Wrong. The distribution of seeds was NOT illegal in Canada at the time.

[commanderkai]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

commanderkai commanderkai:

B) The distribution/cultivation of cannabis is still illegal in Canada.

Wrong. The distribution of seeds was NOT illegal in Canada at the time.

Are you sure? I believe the distribution of non-viable seeds was legal, but seeds that can be used to grow cannabis were. The exportation of cannabis seeds isn't legal either.

Though I'm not a lawyer, so I can't be sure. I'm basing this on the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act of 1996, so yes, if I understood this correctly, he's breaking the law in Canada to export cannabis seeds to the US.

[Lemmy]

commanderkai commanderkai:

A) We don't have an extradition treaty with Iran.

So what? Pick any Muslim country. The point is still that we don't extradite offenders of crimes in other countries that aren't crimes in Canada.

commanderkai commanderkai:

B) The distribution/cultivation of cannabis is still illegal in Canada.

But the punishment in Canada is not jail time (R. v. Hunter, 2000). We don't extradite people to face harsher penalties abroad than they would face here. We don't extradite, for example, murderers to countries where they would face the death penalty.

commanderkai commanderkai:

So, outside of your Iran analogy not really fitting (more fitting would be a US citizen selling guns to Canada that are legal in his or her state), the extradition of Emery fits your criteria.

You're picking gnat shit out of pepper.

commanderkai commanderkai:

Really? You're ashamed that a pot activist sent cannabis seeds to the US, knowing full well that it is a crime in the US...and Canada honored an extradition treaty with the US?

I'm ashamed that someone who would face a $200 fine in Canada is being shipped to a foreign country to do 5 years in a Federal prison. Especially when we know it's only a matter of time before marijuana usage is completely legalized in Canada. I'm proud of Canada when we lead the world in our enlgightened apporach to law and civilization. Marc Emery's treatment is draconian and shameful and will be viewed by future Canadians the same way we view those who refused female Canadians the vote in the early 20th century and those who interred Japanese Canadians in the 1940s.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

commanderkai commanderkai:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

commanderkai commanderkai:

B) The distribution/cultivation of cannabis is still illegal in Canada.

Wrong. The distribution of seeds was NOT illegal in Canada at the time.

Are you sure? I believe the distribution of non-viable seeds was legal, but seeds that can be used to grow cannabis were. The exportation of cannabis seeds isn't legal either.

Though I'm not a lawyer, so I can't be sure. I'm basing this on the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act of 1996, so yes, if I understood this correctly, he's breaking the law in Canada to export cannabis seeds to the US.

Ok, one more time Kai. Emery did NOT break any Canadian law at the time. IF he did, he would have been charged HERE by Canadian police, not by the Americans. It's not like Canadian authorities had NO idea until the Americans caught on.
Now, let's assume it WAS illegal. If that's the case, why are we sending him to the US for prosecution and imprisonment if he broke Canadian law?

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Ok, one more time Kai. Emery did NOT break any Canadian law at the time. IF he did, he would have been charged HERE by Canadian police, not by the Americans. It's not like Canadian authorities had NO idea until the Americans caught on.
Now, let's assume it WAS illegal. If that's the case, why are we sending him to the US for prosecution and imprisonment if he broke Canadian law?

Are you sure? My understanding was that what he was doing was illegal in Canada, tho likely to only net a fine, but that Canada just couldn't bother going after him on it. Herpes and the boys, of course, are only too glad to co-operate with the US on this - red meat for their base.

[commanderkai]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Ok, one more time Kai. Emery did NOT break any Canadian law at the time. IF he did, he would have been charged HERE by Canadian police, not by the Americans. It's not like Canadian authorities had NO idea until the Americans caught on.

I'm not sure if you're right on this. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I've been reading:

http://isomerdesign.com/Cdsa/schedule.p ... tructure=C

"There is much confusion about the legality of Cannabis seed. Some believe that because the seeds contain no Tetrahydrocannabinol (or any other controlled substance) they are beyond the reach of the CDSA, but that is not the case.
While it is true that Cannabis seed is not specifically named in the CDSA, the Cannabis plant is controlled by the CDSA, and Cannabis seeds are considered part of the Cannabis plant.
Furthermore, since the CDSA excludes non-viable Cannabis seed (i.e. a seed that cannot germinate and grow into a Cannabis plant) the courts have made the reasonable inference that the CDSA includes viable Cannabis seed."

Now, he was allowed to distribute NON-VIABLE cannabis seeds, but not seeds that can grow into cannabis plants. If Emery was exporting viable seeds to the US, he was breaking the law in Canada and the US.

$1:

Now, let's assume it WAS illegal. If that's the case, why are we sending him to the US for prosecution and imprisonment if he broke Canadian law?

For bad press? The publicity alone would deter the state from prosecuting Emery. It's easier politically to just hand him to the US then attempting to prosecute in Canada due to public perception over cannabis laws

[commanderkai]

Lemmy Lemmy:

So what? Pick any Muslim country. The point is still that we don't extradite offenders of crimes in other countries that aren't crimes in Canada.

Actually there's no real Muslim country that we have an extradition treaty with. Probably because we don't agree with their laws.

$1:

But the punishment in Canada is not jail time (R. v. Hunter, 2000). We don't extradite people to face harsher penalties abroad than they would face here. We don't extradite, for example, murderers to countries where they would face the death penalty.

Except R. v. Hunter does not deal with the exportation of seeds to the United States, which Emery did. You are correct, however, that Canada can give the United States conditions over extradition, however, they would have been unique to this case, and would have caused issues further down the road if Canada ever wanted to extradite a gun distributor from the US.

Under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, possession with the intent to export can carry the maximum sentence of life in Canada.

$1:

I'm ashamed that someone who would face a $200 fine in Canada is being shipped to a foreign country to do 5 years in a Federal prison. Especially when we know it's only a matter of time before marijuana usage is completely legalized in Canada.

It's not a $200 fine. Trafficking and exportation of cannabis, or viable seeds is still highly illegal in Canada.

$1:

I'm proud of Canada when we lead the world in our enlgightened apporach to law and civilization. Marc Emery's treatment is draconian and shameful and will be viewed by future Canadians the same way we view those who refused female Canadians the vote in the early 20th century and those who interred Japanese Canadians in the 1940s.

That's a bit excessive? Comparing people who were oppressed for who they were, compared to Emery who's being prosecuted by what he did?

[Bodah]

surreyjack surreyjack:

to bad they dont lock up this drug dealer for life

Never smoked weed huh ? Or you did and got a hold of some wheelchair pot and it freaked you out ?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

commanderkai commanderkai:

For bad press? The publicity alone would deter the state from prosecuting Emery. It's easier politically to just hand him to the US then attempting to prosecute in Canada due to public perception over cannabis laws

So there you have it. It was simply bowing to the US regardless of OUR country's public opinion. Who cares how Canadians feel on the subject cuz American gov't opinion is the only one that counts! This is about Harper's personal crusade despite public opinion on the subject.
If the fear was bad press, don't you think that would be a clue for the idiot to re-visit those pot laws he recently reversed?
Regardless of anything else, this has nothing to do with justice.
The Liberals decriminalized weed because they realized that there were wayyyy too many people out there that couldn't get a real job because they had a criminal record for simple possession. Under the Libs, what Emery did was no big deal, a fineable offence at most. But I think it's total bullshit that a simple change of gov't, and a minority gov't at that, and presto-chango, Emery is a criminal.

[herbie]

Just to get this straight: we have a law in Canada that we chose NOT to enforce, so they enforce someone else's law on someone in Canada.
Bag lickers.
We used to have a PM middle names Ell-iot. Now we've had two middle named Chicken-shit.

[RUEZ]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The Liberals decriminalized weed because they realized that there were wayyyy too many people out there that couldn't get a real job because they had a criminal record for simple possession. Under the Libs, what Emery did was no big deal, a fineable offence at most. But I think it's total bullshit that a simple change of gov't, and a minority gov't at that, and presto-chango, Emery is a criminal.

According to this article Emery was first arrested in 2005. Guess who was PM in 2005?

[Public_Domain]

[DerbyX]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Is gay marriage against the law in Malawi? Why yes, yes it is.

So you are quite willing to follow any law commanded of you, no matter how unjust and disruptive to the process of citizens?
On your knees immediately, no arguments?
Don't dare question authority?

You don't know right from wrong.

$1:

Civil disobedience is still disobedience. If you're going to break a law, you should expect to get punished when you are caught. Sometimes this will lead to change, sometimes it won't. If Marc Emery broke US laws for some cause, then he should be proud to go to jail, much like civil rights advocates and anti-war protesters saw arrests as a sign of their commitment to the cause.

Disgusting. You are encouraging your ideological enemies to rot in jails.

$1:

So, those two gay Malawians who were sentenced to hard labor are using their conviction to attempt to motivate Malawians to change the laws. Emery might try to do the same, or he'll grow up and realize that the US sees the pot trade as serious business, either way, I hope Emery enjoys his prison cell.

Absolutely no regard for human life, you'd be fine if Rosa Parks was arrested for sitting at the front of the bus.

Because she should "protest from jail as a proud advocate of civil rights".

You show to much patience with him. He does not know right from wrong, only conservative ideology. Funny that all these law and order cons vilifying Marc for opposing an unjust law (and that is just taking into account seed distribution) would be screaming support if it were some gun owner (and they did before) standing up against the registration.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

RUEZ RUEZ:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The Liberals decriminalized weed because they realized that there were wayyyy too many people out there that couldn't get a real job because they had a criminal record for simple possession. Under the Libs, what Emery did was no big deal, a fineable offence at most. But I think it's total bullshit that a simple change of gov't, and a minority gov't at that, and presto-chango, Emery is a criminal.

According to this article Emery was first arrested in 2005. Guess who was PM in 2005?

Yep, and guess when he was FINALLY taken into custody, IN CANADA..Sept. 28, 2009

And actually, Emery has been arrested several times over the years, was never criminally charged, but usually fined and had his seeds and paraphenalia confiscated.
Oh and curiously enough, from 1998 to his arrest in 2005, Emery paid provincial and federal taxes as a "marijuana seed vendor" totalling nearly $600,000.
And finally read this carefully mmmk? An appeal court judge ruled on March 7, 2008 in a similar case that a one-month jail sentence and probation constituted an adequate sentence for the crime of marijuana seed selling in Canada. This could possibly have been used to Emery's advantage in his fight against extradition.

On March 27, 2008 his plea-bargain deal collapsed because of the refusal of the Canadian Conservative government to approve its side of the arrangement