[BeaverFever]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

If you believe the universe was created instantly (big bang theory) then wouldn't one assume that everything in the universe is the same age.

Given that simplistic view then all alien races would be of a similar age and therefore at a similar level of technology. Other alien races might be saying the same thing about other alien races.

No, I dont believe big bang theory says that all things were created at the same time. And I don't think big bang theorists have suggested Earth or even the Milky Way galaxy are as old as the universe. As I understand it, new stars, solar systems and galaxies are always forming while other older ones burn out, implode and disperse gaseous and solid material, which later gathers and grows (due to gravitational pull) into new stars and new solar systems. Of course, this takes tens or hundreds of millions of years. Its a constant and ongoing chain reaction, with the 'big bang' supposedly the first 'spark' which set off that chain reaction.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

IF, and that's a MIGHTY big if, aliens "discover" us, it's gonna be by total fluke.
When you consider that the earliest terrestrial siganls have only travelled something like 120 lights years so far, assuming those early signals had the strength to not just disappear into the background noise a light year or two out. There are approx 511 stars within that distance of us. Of those, only 28 G-Type stars have had planets identified.
Even if more planets are discovered around other stars within that distance, one could safely assume that IF there was life, at best it would be not much more advanced than we are. And since we're peekin' at 'em, it would be safe to assume we are also listening for radio signals from those stars. SO far, no-one's showed up, yet.
So right now, the FARTHEST away someone could be that could hear a radio signal from Earth and "discover" us is 120 light years. IF they had instellar space travel capability, they'd have been here by now I'm sure.

I'd replace Hawking's "risky" with "chancy". Cuz right now, it would be pure chance if aliens ran across us.
Especially cuz the Vogons will be here by the end of the month.

[bootlegga]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

If you believe the universe was created instantly (big bang theory) then wouldn't one assume that everything in the universe is the same age.

Given that simplistic view then all alien races would be of a similar age and therefore at a similar level of technology. Other alien races might be saying the same thing about other alien races.

That is unless you believe in the multi-verse theory where other universes may be overlapping our own. These theoretical universes could have been formed earlier than ours.

Take me to your leader.

Not only that, but earlier species that evolved on those planet could have been intelligent. In Earth's case, intelligent life didn't evolve until 200,000 - 300,000 years ago. Who knows how long alien races have been around? It could be that Earth lost the proverbial interstellar coin toss and had intelligent life evolve several million to several billion years after every other planet did.

[Proculation]

sandorski sandorski:

Hawking is correct, it is dangerous to attract attention from Unknown Species. They may or may not be more Advanced than we are. They may or may not be Aggressive, although Chances are that some will be. They may or may not be capable of reaching us. Thing is, we just don't Know.

Sure, if they truly are far more Advanced, they probably don't need our Resources, but they could see us as a potential Threat. If they do, they could decide to simply eliminate us while it is a simple task. We might also be very Tasty and ripe for Harvest(not joking).

If THEY make contact with us, they are certainly far more advanced.
We have to be aware that we sent someone to the moon only 40 years ago and that we use electricity since only something like 130 years ago.

[Proculation]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

If you believe the universe was created instantly (big bang theory) then wouldn't one assume that everything in the universe is the same age.

Given that simplistic view then all alien races would be of a similar age and therefore at a similar level of technology. Other alien races might be saying the same thing about other alien races.

No, I dont believe big bang theory says that all things were created at the same time. And I don't think big bang theorists have suggested Earth or even the Milky Way galaxy are as old as the universe. As I understand it, new stars, solar systems and galaxies are always forming while other older ones burn out, implode and disperse gaseous and solid material, which later gathers and grows (due to gravitational pull) into new stars and new solar systems. Of course, this takes tens or hundreds of millions of years. Its a constant and ongoing chain reaction, with the 'big bang' supposedly the first 'spark' which set off that chain reaction.

Don't forget relativity kids ! For us, the universe was created 13 billion years ago. For other, it may only 1 billion years old depending of acceleration and gravity.

[PluggyRug]

Proculation Proculation:

Don't forget relativity kids ! For us, the universe was created 13 billion years ago. For other, it may only 1 billion years old depending of acceleration and gravity.

Good point.

Here's an odd theological concept on relativity.

http://thearray.org/Run%20Faster%20Than ... age360.htm

[Proculation]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Proculation Proculation:

Don't forget relativity kids ! For us, the universe was created 13 billion years ago. For other, it may only 1 billion years old depending of acceleration and gravity.

Good point.

Here's an odd theological concept on relativity.

http://thearray.org/Run%20Faster%20Than ... age360.htm

That is not odd but that is not completely true because they omit gravity and the density of the substance the photon is passing true. (they omit general relativity)

I prefer the Ladder paradox or the Twin paradox

[Proculation]

Oh I misread "theological" with "theoretical".

Are you saying I'm talking about theology ???

[Proculation]

OMG, sorry I even read the article too quickly.... I mean I didn't even read the end that says:

$1:

you are in fact running at 10 mph faster than the speed of light. (sic)

One thing you will notice which will be a completely surprise to conventional science wisdom, you didn’t get any heavier, much less suddenly gain an infinite mass.



It may be a little hard to adjust your mind to various reference systems and the fact that anything can be your reference system. It is actually very simple, in comparison to the cloud of confusion which some scientist are trying to provoke upon us in the name of the theory of relativity.

Sorry....

Damn i'm pretty sure I can win 100$ pretty quickly

[Proculation]

Wow, PluggyPlug. If this "article" is really serious. That's so funny

Look at the image: The woman is moving at 10 mph and the earth is rotating at 1,037 mph so the woman is moving at 1,047mph. WTF ?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

That argument works great for speeding tickets..sometimes.
Got pulled over on the TransCanada for speeding one time. I explained to the officer that because of the speed of Earth's rotation in relation to the direction I was travelling meant that in fact I was doing NEGATIVE 937 mph.

Unfortunately, the very same cop pulled me over for speeding on my way back. He remembered my science lesson and promptly wrote me a ticket for doing 1137 mph over the limit

[raydan]

We are Borg.
You will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile.

[Hyack]

This whole issue of possible contact with an alien species in the future may all be for naught. There is a theory kicking around that the gap between Neanderthal man and Homo sapiens was in fact due to alien intervention. The theory goes on to state that between approximately 250,000 and 400,000 years ago Earth was visited by an advanced alien civilization who introduced or seeded Earth with homo sapiens. The hypothesis then goes on to speculate that somewhere in the foreseeable future this alien species will return to Earth to harvest the crop! Kind of like rounding up the free range cattle prior to shipping it off to the slaughter house.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Hyack Hyack:

This whole issue of possible contact with an alien species in the future may all be for naught. There is a theory kicking around that the gap between Neanderthal man and Homo sapiens was in fact due to alien intervention. The theory goes on to state that between approximately 250,000 and 400,000 years ago Earth was visited by an advanced alien civilization who introduced or seeded Earth with homo sapiens. The hypothesis then goes on to speculate that somewhere in the foreseeable future this alien species will return to Earth to harvest the crop! Kind of like rounding up the free range cattle prior to shipping it off to the slaughter house.

Have you been reading L. Ron Hubbard again??

[djakeydd]

That guy Hawking is obviously right off his rocker and anyone who subscribes to that level of tripe is as well