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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:05 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
(I guess I'm off your ignore list again .... and again :roll: )

Far from falling on their face Harper showed his true colours and explained in vivid details why his far right brand of conservatism will simply not win a majority as long as they continue to oppose womens rights.


far right brand of conservatism eh? interesting....then the US must be so far right it has fallen off the planet?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:08 pm
 


uwish uwish:
DerbyX DerbyX:
(I guess I'm off your ignore list again .... and again :roll: )

Far from falling on their face Harper showed his true colours and explained in vivid details why his far right brand of conservatism will simply not win a majority as long as they continue to oppose womens rights.


far right brand of conservatism eh? interesting....then the US must be so far right it has fallen off the planet?


His far right, not the US's far right and by Canada's standards Harper is far right.

They call Obama a liberal in the US, hell the most liberal they've ever elected. How liberal/left is he compared to Canada?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:12 pm
 


i like the way you play up how ultra right wing our conservatives are until you compare them to any other conservative group. Then...uuu not HIS or CANADIAN right wing..yeah..thats it.

Whatever gets you a sound bite I guess.


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I am surprised to hear you say that Derbyx. I would have thought you would be all over the right to choose.


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Abortion in Canada's in a quasi-legal never-never land and it'll probably stay that way permanently. No one strong enough to overturn it and no one courageous enough to legally ensconce it.

But that's beside the point. You basically called for a purge of internal dissenters (I assume you meant the Tom Wappelle types) who wouldn't go along with a cheap publicity stunt that blew up in Iggy's face. Aside from being puritanical and totalitarian in it's very essence, it completely ignores the real problems that you Liberals have these days. If the leadership had any idea of what it was doing these days they would have known that there were a handful of Liberal MP that, for whatever reason, wouldn't go along with some cheesy idea that was arranged around a dangerous third-rail issue like abortion. Not only do the Liberals currently have no comprehension of the existing political atmosphere they apparently don't even have a proper gauge of what their own MP's are now thinking of or being motivated by.

The Libs tried to "draw out" the Conservatives into a trap where they thought that they could succeed with the boring, obsolete, and thoroughly inane tactic of "Cons are all women hating gay-bashers who are gonna put troops on Canadian streets!". And they ignored the reality that this truly dopey tactic has laughably failed to work for them about ten thousand times out of the last ten thousand times they've tried to use it. Liberal fail = Tory gain. All that happened is that the Liberal leadership again revealed itself to be totally hapless and that their old strategies from the 1990's won't work anymore.

Sure ain't the Tories fault that the Libs are now about as effective as the French military General Staff was in the spring of 1940. You can complain all you want about how "unfair" it is that Stephen Harper's panzers keep running right over you guys but it doesn't change the fact that you guys are doing a piss-poor job of preparing yourselves for combat in the next election and/or forming the next government. Wrapping yourselves in the familiar old Liberal big-hearted self-righteousness sure ain't gonna change the facts on the ground as you guys keep reeling from defeat after endless defeat.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:19 pm
 


uwish uwish:
i like the way you play up how ultra right wing our conservatives are until you compare them to any other conservative group. Then...uuu not HIS or CANADIAN right wing..yeah..thats it.

Whatever gets you a sound bite I guess.


Nice try, sorta like you crying about the evils of liberals and the media destroying a cherished "gun heritage" because it offends soccer moms? Hyperbole much?

It is his right wing brand of conservatism because its HIS policies I'm referring to and they are right wing in scope. Hell I'd consider his core religious, anti-abortion reformist core to be very right wing.

Doesn't seem to bother you much about how the Libs (and NDP) get labeled socialist when the truth is even the NDPs policies fall short of that description.

Of course all of this is nothing more then a red herring attempting to mask the truth in that Harper and the CPC have no respect for a womens right to choose and they don't want the public to know because they realize that the voting public will not support that position and with that goes his chance to win a majority.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:20 pm
 


uwish uwish:
I am surprised to hear you say that Derbyx. I would have thought you would be all over the right to choose.


The right to choose is exactly what I support and I don't support the right to choose to eliminate that right for others.

I thought you supported freedom or is that only the freedom to own guns?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:21 pm
 


Thanos, but but...according to Derby this wasn't a liberal defeat, it was showing how big and bad harper is. Sort of like our courts, lets blame the victim!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:23 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
uwish uwish:
I am surprised to hear you say that Derbyx. I would have thought you would be all over the right to choose.


The right to choose is exactly what I support and I don't support the right to choose to eliminate that right for others.

I thought you supported freedom or is that only the freedom to own guns?


nice try, but I do not support abortion as a form of birth control.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:29 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
Abortion in Canada's in a quasi-legal never-never land and it'll probably stay that way permanently. No one strong enough to overturn it and no one courageous enough to legally ensconce it.


No, the NDP (and the Bloc) will do just that. Its the one issue I think the NDP trumps the Libs on.

Thanos Thanos:
But that's beside the point. You basically called for a purge of internal dissenters (I assume you meant the Tom Wappelle types) who wouldn't go along with a cheap publicity stunt that blew up in Iggy's face.


Publicity stunt? I think not. Voting to support reproductive freedom and education for women in 3rd world countries is hardly a stunt. As for calling for the purge of anti-choice Liberals? Yep. I do so with damn good reason because the right of a women to choose is a fundamental one and I don't want party members who don't believe that.

Thanos Thanos:
Aside from being puritanical and totalitarian in it's very essence,


Not at all. Its called expecting your party and its members to supporting your beliefs.

Thanos Thanos:
It completely ignores the real problems that you Liberals have these days. If the leadership had any idea of what it was doing these days they would have known that there were a handful of Liberal MP that, for whatever reason, wouldn't go along with some cheesy idea that was arranged around a dangerous third-rail issue like abortion. Not only do the Liberals currently have no comprehension of the existing political atmosphere they apparently don't even have a proper gauge of what their own MP's are now thinking of or being motivated by.


You sound just like the Republicans talking about Obama and the Democrats.

Thanos Thanos:
The Libs tried to "draw out" the Conservatives into a trap where they thought that they could succeed with the boring, obsolete, and thoroughly inane tactic of "Cons are all women hating gay-bashers who are gonna put troops on Canadian streets!". And they ignored the reality that this truly dopey tactic has laughably failed to work for them about ten thousand times out of the last ten thousand times they've tried to use it. Liberal fail = Tory gain. All that happened is that the Liberal leadership again revealed itself to be totally hapless and that their old strategies from the 1990's won't work anymore.


What happened was that Harper exposed his parties core beliefs, and those are the core beliefs that prevent him from winning a majority against a so called weakened opposition.

Thanos Thanos:
Sure ain't the Tories fault that the Libs are now about as effective as the French military General Staff was in the spring of 1940. You can complain all you want about how "unfair" it is that Stephen Harper's panzers keep running right over you guys but it doesn't change the fact that you guys are doing a piss-poor job of preparing yourselves for combat in the next election and/or forming the next government. Wrapping yourselves in the familiar old Liberal big-hearted self-righteousness sure ain't gonna change the facts on the ground as you guys keep reeling from defeat after endless defeat.


Endless defeats? So far Harper has failed to win a majority and if I am to believe you guys then Harper was forced to run a massive deficit. His so called pro-military image is quite frankly exposed as he postpones project after project and claws back funding when it should be increased.

The term pyrrhic victory springs to mind.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:31 pm
 


uwish uwish:
DerbyX DerbyX:
uwish uwish:
I am surprised to hear you say that Derbyx. I would have thought you would be all over the right to choose.


The right to choose is exactly what I support and I don't support the right to choose to eliminate that right for others.

I thought you supported freedom or is that only the freedom to own guns?


nice try, but I do not support abortion as a form of birth control.


No different then anti-gun advocates saying they do not support the freedom to own a gun nor recognize it as a viable (or justifiable) form of self defence.

Goes both ways.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:33 pm
 


uwish uwish:
Thanos, but but...according to Derby this wasn't a liberal defeat, it was showing how big and bad harper is. Sort of like our courts, lets blame the victim!


The true losers are the women we are supposed to be helping. The rest is political posturing.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:33 pm
 


both ways is key Derbyx, it isn't your way or the highway either. Not matter what sound bite you come up with. It won't change any facts.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:36 pm
 


Keep building that new Maginot Line, Derbs. It doesn't change the fact that right now Stephen Harper's justifiably and merrily LOL-ing in your general direction.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:37 pm
 


uwish uwish:
both ways is key Derbyx, it isn't your way or the highway either. Not matter what sound bite you come up with. It won't change any facts.


No, you are the expert at sound bites the way you spit out pro-gun propaganda. I expect my party to reflect my values on core issues just like everybody else and I don't doubt for one second you say the same thing about CPC MPs who were staunch anti-gun people who defied the registration kill bill motion or who sided with the opposition if they put forth some sort of anti-gun bill.

You'd say exactly the same thing because gun ownership is a passion of yours and you expect your party to reflect that belief.


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