[Zipperfish]

It's a great day to be a socialist. Where can I sign up for the Death Panels?

[ManifestDestiny]

sandorski sandorski:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

One thing with this bill I dont get is the prexisting conditions. So I can drop my healthcare coverage today and buy it back when I get sick?

This bill is garbage just like all the assholes in DC

Uhhh, I'll go with NO.

You roll your eyes, but why not? who is to say we cant? have you read the bill?

[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

It's a great day to be a socialist. Where can I sign up for the Death Panels?

No doubt. I'm moving to the States just to take advantage of the new tag-em & bag-em programmes. I've got a couple of extremely annoying old people in my family that I'd really love to give the ol' Auschwitz-Birkenau to. Them and their little dogs too.

[N_Fiddledog]

One good thing happened out of all this. Paul Ryan really surfaced as a leader. I think we're looking at the next president of the United States there.

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ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

sandorski sandorski:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

One thing with this bill I dont get is the prexisting conditions. So I can drop my healthcare coverage today and buy it back when I get sick?

This bill is garbage just like all the assholes in DC

Uhhh, I'll go with NO.

You roll your eyes, but why not? who is to say we cant? have you read the bill?

It's cheaper for the HMO if you die. If they are not regulated they will continue to deny and/or revoke cover for people who will die without. That's a cardinal flaw and the posterchild for a broken system.

[xerxes]

Thanos Thanos:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

It's a great day to be a socialist. Where can I sign up for the Death Panels?

No doubt. I'm moving to the States just to take advantage of the new tag-em & bag-em programmes. I've got a couple of extremely annoying old people in my family that I'd really love to give the ol' Auschwitz-Birkenau to. Them and their little dogs too.

I wanna go work on a collective farm, since apparently, the US is now under Communist tyrrany.

[commanderkai]

The Democrats just fucked themselves over for the next decade or so.

[xerxes]

That remains to be seen. Will they lose in November? Yeah, that was going to be a given considering the economy. But by passing this reform, even at the expense of short term political popularity, the Democrats have done the rgiht thing which hasn't been done in Washington in a good long time.

[commanderkai]

xerxes xerxes:

That remains to be seen. Will they lose in November? Yeah, that was going to be a given considering the economy. But by passing this reform, even at the expense of short term political popularity, the Democrats have done the rgiht thing which hasn't been done in Washington in a good long time.

Wrong. The Democrats just flushed away a great many years of political precedence. What happens when the United States has a Republican majority in the House and Senate? Should they ignore both the views of the minority and public opinion to pass whatever they desire? That's the precedence that's been set today. So when the Republicans stop caring about short term popularity to cut whatever they please, without giving a damn about the polls or what the Democrats want, I hope you, nor anybody else who thinks this was a great success, don't complain.

[xerxes]

Uh, Obama won with 53% of the popular vote on a platform that included health care reform. That's how a two-party democracy works. One side loses control and has to watch the other run things for a while. When the GOP wins again, they can do things the way they want to.

$1:

So when the Republicans stop caring about short term popularity to cut whatever they please, without giving a damn about the polls or what the Democrats want, I hope you, nor anybody else who thinks this was a great success, don't complain.

You mean like how they goverened during the entirety of Bush's two terms?

[N_Fiddledog]

The talking heads at CNN we're celebrating what they saw as a victory. I imagine it was the same at MSNBC, and elsewhere.

[commanderkai]

xerxes xerxes:

Uh, Obama won with 53% of the popular vote on a platform that included health care reform.

He also won on "Hope and Change" too. What's your point? Bush, up until 2006, had the House and Senate. So next time the Republicans have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, they can change anything they want. To hell with bipartisanship, right?

$1:

That's how a two-party democracy works. One side loses control and has to watch the other run things for a while. When the GOP wins again, they can do things the way they want to.

That's not how the system works at all. The whole point for the various rules is to encourage bipartisanship between both parties to find a bill or a reform that can get support from both parties. Past major pieces of legislation needed wide, bipartisan support to be passed, and as such, represented a wide range of views of many Americans. This does not even have a hint of bipartisan support.

$1:

You mean like how they goverened during the entirety of Bush's two terms?

Explain why Social Security reform wasn't passed if the Republicans didn't care about bipartisan support? Pray tell, explain this. Give me pieces of legislation that didn't have SOME Democrats supporting it?

[xerxes]

Oh please. Obama had tried for a year to get any Republicans to support this bill, but all they have done is oppse any and everything he's proposed. They've bcome a party of nihilistswhich is funny as Mose GOP members wouldn't kno what that means.

And when the republicans get back into peer they can do what they want. All they have to do is rn on a platform of once again allowing heAlth insurance providers to drop peole the swcne they get sick and e Clyde for arcane and unrelated preexisting conditions. It's a surefirw way to win.

[Zipperfish]

Well, at least no one can say Obama hasn't done anything now. That's pretty major. I don't know much about the whole health care reform thing, but I like Obama so I'm happy he'll be able to enjoy this success--until the next crisis/scandal anyways.

They're spitting mad over at the Michelle Malkin website right now. You should read some of the comments. Whooo-eee! Things are going to get nasty at the partisan divide in the near future, methinks.

[commanderkai]

xerxes xerxes:

Oh please. Obama had tried for a year to get any Republicans to support this bill, but all they have done is oppse any and everything he's proposed.

And they have every right to if they disagree with the bill. What's your point? That's the whole point of bipartisanship, you make compromise between BOTH parties to find a solution.

They're opposed specifically because Obama is unwilling to compromise on the bill. And oh boy, I can't wait to start hearing your talking points that were picked off the DNC.

$1:

They've bcome a party of nihilistswhich is funny as Mose GOP members wouldn't kno what that means.

According to you. I've heard plenty of admissions that there are issues with the US health care system, but they do not see this as the solution, nor something close to it.

$1:

And when the republicans get back into peer they can do what they want. All they have to do is rn on a platform of once again allowing heAlth insurance providers to drop peole the swcne they get sick and e Clyde for arcane and unrelated preexisting conditions. It's a surefirw way to win.

I have absolutely no idea what you said after the bolded portion. I'm sure everything below, from the English words I was able to pick out, was a bunch of rhetoric and bullshit, but still. The bolded portion, however, just showed the precedent created. Any party with control of the House, Senate, and Presidency, can do whatever they want without a care for bipartisanship. The Democrats have screwed themselves during any year in which Republicans have control, because now they won't give a flying fuck about bipartisanship.

Also, still waiting on Bush examples where he didn't receive even a BIT of bipartisanship in any legislation he was pushing forward.