[2Cdo]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I do agree, there are a lot of things that I consider not worth doing in relation to the risk. Beyond drug use, such as things like jumping out of a plane or playing football.

$1:

That's funny cause i've both jumped out of a plane and played football.

$1:

And there's people who've been considerably hurt by both - or are consistently hurt regularly.

For fun.

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7 years playing football and only ever had 1 injury. Almost 1000 jumps and never been injured.

You must live quite the boring existance if you are afraid to try something based on "I might get hurt".

And trying hard drugs is just like playing Russian roulette.

[commanderkai]

Yeah, not sure how football or skydiving as anywhere near as dangerous as heroin, ecstasy, and probably cocaine too. Some drugs are just inherently dangerous, no matter WHO makes them.

Plus...and I'm just curious...does anybody think Johnson and Johnson, Amgen, Pfizer, or any other legitimate drug company would risk their reputation and their bank accounts by producing highly addictive, and potentially lethal narcotics when they have issues with lawsuits from the addiction and lethality from normal prescription drugs?

[DerbyX]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Yeah, not sure how football or skydiving as anywhere near as dangerous as heroin, ecstasy, and probably cocaine too. Some drugs are just inherently dangerous, no matter WHO makes them.

Plus...and I'm just curious...does anybody think Johnson and Johnson, Amgen, Pfizer, or any other legitimate drug company would risk their reputation and their bank accounts by producing highly addictive, and potentially lethal narcotics when they have issues with lawsuits from the addiction and lethality from normal prescription drugs?

If it were legal and they could make gobs of money? Sure. If they were worried about tarnishing their name then they could easily make the stuff under a different company name kinda like how coke and pepsi own half the planet. Walmart owns the other half.

[commanderkai]

DerbyX DerbyX:

If it were legal and they could make gobs of money? Sure. If they were worried about tarnishing their name then they could easily make the stuff under a different company name kinda like how coke and pepsi own half the planet. Walmart owns the other half.

Could they? It's not black and white. Most pharma companies don't control any supply or production facilities, they don't exactly control distribution either. Start up costs will be pricey, and that's figuring there will be no issues with already established drug cartels and criminal elements.

AND then you have legal issues. It's one thing to die or get addicted to a drug approved by the FDA, because companies will always have the extra "The buck goes to them", but, there will be no cocaine/heroin/ecstasy approval process because there is no real way to prove how one pill or injection will affect one individuals. Sure, person X with medical issue Y has a higher chance of death, but so do these two kids who overdosed and died.

Also, alcohol prohibition isn't the same as narcotics prohibition either. The various companies who produced alcohol before prohibition didn't just blow up their factories during prohibition. The risk of alcohol aren't as severe as those of heroin

And what about insurance companies? Should cocaine be offered over the counter? Prescription? Should insurance companies cover heroin packets? Should they increase the premiums for addicts?

It's not a two step process. Legalization won't lead to instant profits and drug access to all. There are dozens of questions to ask, and almost no answers.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Choban Choban:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Choban Choban:

Buddy of mine died from this drug, we were both "experienced" users, both bought from the same guy, he died, I didn't, it very easily could have been me. Truth of the matter is there are just some drugs that aren't worth doing, weather it's the chance of death, the addiction rate or whatever other risks inherent. I've been through this already in another thread about Ex and don't wish to recap any further as it's painful to this day, that's my opinion though that this drug is never safe, one time your fine, the next it kills you.

Sadly, things happens. I'll respect your request and won't argue with you about it.

I do agree, there are a lot of things that I consider not worth doing in relation to the risk. Beyond drug use, such as things like jumping out of a plane or playing football.

That's funny cause i've both jumped out of a plane and played football.

Off topic here but, did you notice if your second jump was scarier than the first? It was for me

[PublicAnimalNo9]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Yeah, not sure how football or skydiving as anywhere near as dangerous as heroin, ecstasy, and probably cocaine too. Some drugs are just inherently dangerous, no matter WHO makes them.

Plus...and I'm just curious...does anybody think Johnson and Johnson, Amgen, Pfizer, or any other legitimate drug company would risk their reputation and their bank accounts by producing highly addictive, and potentially lethal narcotics when they have issues with lawsuits from the addiction and lethality from normal prescription drugs?

They already sell highly addictive and potentially lethal narcotics.

[commanderkai]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

They already sell highly addictive and potentially lethal narcotics.

Read my part about "passing the buck". If people get addicted to a powerful painkiller, they can point to the government in approving the product for use in hospitals. Tell me, do you think the FDA is going to approve cocaine from Johnson and Johnson? Heroin from Amgen? Will they allow their regulatory boards to take the fall when people die from bad heroin doses or an overdose?

[KorbenDeck]

Suckers. Drugs are bad m'kay

[Public_Domain]

[2Cdo]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

7 years playing football and only ever had 1 injury. Almost 1000 jumps and never been injured.

That's nice. I know drug addicts who can say similar things.

17 years old and knows hard core drug addicts. Mom must be proud.

$1:

]I could really care less. I don't actually live by that motto, and just personally don't think I'd feel much of a rush by jumping out of moving objects, or being tackled. I'd rather read a book in a language I don't understand to be honest. Doesn't sound like fun.

But sitting around smoking dope and pretending to read is exciting.(I say that because if you don't understand the language then you aren't actually reading)

$1:

E? A hard drug? Ooo, that's a stretch. A UK study suggests about 7 deaths per million users. I'm sure there are more teenagers dying in cars as we speak. Not to mention the 625 per million drinkers dying for alcohol related reasons. Also, it's not physically addictive. Most of the deaths are caused by overheating, especially with alcohol use (dangerous with everything, and also the case with this article).

Keep rolling the dice with your drug use. Hope everything works out for you.

$1:

Hell, there's even something called "The Safe Dancing Guide" for the best way to reduce/eliminate harm when doing E.
http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/info/safe_dancing.htm

And if you honestly think there is a safe way to do drugs, fill your boots. I'll be the one saying "I told you so" at your funeral.

[Public_Domain]

[2Cdo]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

They aren't exactly rare and are often fairly lovely people.

I can think of a lot of things to call addicts but lovely isn't one of them.

$1:

That was the joke, so yeah. Actually I prefer to spend my time listening to underground music, if you are interested, which you aren't. I consider that fun in itself.

While I do enjoy music, I much prefer to do something active. Whatever floats your boat.

$1:

You could say the same about driving a car, so feel free at the event of my death.

Even though I don't do E or really plan too, for different reasons than the off chance of some side-effects with improper use.

The act of driving a car is not dangerous on it's own, but the act of taking something concocted in someones basement with his home chemistry set is extremely dangerous. Any use of hard drugs is improper use.

[Choban]

$1:

Off topic here but, did you notice if your second jump was scarier than the first? It was for me

I certainly noticed that, I think it had to do with the fact that I knew what was comming. I still haven't had an experience like it.

[Choban]

I can kinda see where MR.C is comming from, I know folks myself that still dabble in the E, and Coke. It doesn't make them any less in my eyes, it's a choice, though addmittedly I try to disuade the E based on my past.

[2Cdo]

Choban Choban:

$1:

Off topic here but, did you notice if your second jump was scarier than the first? It was for me

I certainly noticed that, I think it had to do with the fact that I knew what was comming. I still haven't had an experience like it.

Second jump is always scarier due to the fact that you now know what landings REALLY feel like. At least military parachuting. Doing civvy free-fall after military parachuting is a cake walk, no heavy rucksacks, no screaming DS and no landing like the proverbial sack of shit!