[BartSimpson]

Regina Regina:

WTF was she doing trying to attend a school anyway?

True. As a devout Muslim woman she should not even be attending school unless she's escorted by a close male relative. Where was he?

[stokes]

By asking her to leave the class because of her religous obligations of not showing her face to men other than her husband they went to far, I am going to assume the teacher was a woman (and probably hot hence all the men)or she would not have enrolled in the first place. The school needs to understand that she has a religous obligation and she needs to understand that they can only accomodate her to certain point.

I am not placing blame at the feet of the college as the woman needs to accept part of the responsibility, what I am saying is that there had to be a better way to resolve this situation, but coming from Quebec I am not entirely optimistic about the level of common-sense.

I have spent more time in the middle east than I have spent in Quebec, and I can say this with a high degree of certainty, they accept us and our habits more readily than we seem to accept theirs. This is not how a great country such as Canada should welcome others.

[andyt]

stokes stokes:

By asking her to leave the class because of her religous obligations of not showing her face to men other than her husband they went to far, I am going to assume the teacher was a woman (and probably hot hence all the men)or she would not have enrolled in the first place. The school needs to understand that she has a religous obligation and she needs to understand that they can only accomodate her to certain point.

I am not placing blame at the feet of the college as the woman needs to accept part of the responsibility, what I am saying is that there had to be a better way to resolve this situation, but coming from Quebec I am not entirely optimistic about the level of common-sense.

I have spent more time in the middle east than I have spent in Quebec, and I can say this with a high degree of certainty, they accept us and our habits more readily than we seem to accept theirs. This is not how a great country such as Canada should welcome others.

I've asked you twice now what that better way is? It's easy to criticize, but you should be able to offer your own solution if you do. And IMO it should be an accommodation based on how we do things here in Canada, not the middle east.

[2Cdo]

stokes stokes:

By asking her to leave the class because of her religous obligations of not showing her face to men other than her husband they went to far, I am going to assume the teacher was a woman (and probably hot hence all the men)or she would not have enrolled in the first place. The school needs to understand that she has a religous obligation and she needs to understand that they can only accomodate her to certain point.

I am not placing blame at the feet of the college as the woman needs to accept part of the responsibility, what I am saying is that there had to be a better way to resolve this situation, but coming from Quebec I am not entirely optimistic about the level of common-sense.

I have spent more time in the middle east than I have spent in Quebec, and I can say this with a high degree of certainty, they accept us and our habits more readily than we seem to accept theirs. This is not how a great country such as Canada should welcome others.

Of course the school should bend over backwards to accomodate someone who is unwilling to compromise. She can go back to whatever backwater cesspool she comes from and ask them to accomodate her wishes. Send us a letter and tell us how that worked out.

[bootlegga]

Maybe she should take French by correspondence...

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Regina Regina:

WTF was she doing trying to attend a school anyway?

True. As a devout Muslim woman she should not even be attending school unless she's escorted by a close male relative. Where was he?

Game, set and match. Kinda hard to argue religous freedom when you don't even follow your own religion.

[kenmore]

Well Québec will back the college.. I totally agree that she should have to remove it.. if the Canadian government had the balls they would ban them.. And this is not a french vs Muslim issue. Its a health and safety issue..

[kenmore]

I read more on this case in the paper. There is more to it than just removing the niqab. She applied for the french language course and submitted a photo which showed her face on the application. When she attended the class ( which also has male students) she refused to remove it as she says she cannot show her face to men. So the college did try to accomodate, but she did not accept this. This has been an ongoing problem in Montréal where they wanted pools shut down on certain days to prevent them having to swim with men. Get real! when in Rome as they say. If our women went to the middle east they would have to wear this head gear and cover their faces in public or stay on a compound and still have to wear scarfs .. men also would have to follow the rules of Islam.. so when they come here they sould expect to abide by our rules and culture..

[Bodah]

stokes stokes:

By asking her to leave the class because of her religous obligations of not showing her face to men other than her husband they went to far, I am going to assume the teacher was a woman (and probably hot hence all the men)or she would not have enrolled in the first place. The school needs to understand that she has a religous obligation and she needs to understand that they can only accomodate her to certain point.

The religon spin again, seriously this practice has nothing to do with religon. Honestly it doesn't, look it up.

stokes stokes:

I am not placing blame at the feet of the college as the woman needs to accept part of the responsibility, what I am saying is that there had to be a better way to resolve this situation, but coming from Quebec I am not entirely optimistic about the level of common-sense.

Bravo Québec is all I can say when it comes to how to deal with the public display of female subjugation in Canada. Although this is not why they expelled her but because of her demands on how the men on campus were expected to act around here. If she doesn't like it she should take the next plane back to Riyadh. Or whatever place where men act "properly" around her. Incase someone hasn't told her this isn't the middle east.

[kenmore]

Stokes..question.... is asking males in the class to either leave or sit in the back of the class going too far? This issue is ridiculous. These people's so called religion is archaic.. are you prepared to live in or have your children grow up in a country that these people are trying to turn back a thousand years?
I am not. they change or go the hell home!

[Bodah]

What I find really strange. I belive most of us here, if you and your family chose to pack and move to Saudi Arabia. Would respect and follow their social customs to a t without complaint, women are expected to act a certain way there.

So....

Why is it they expect us to act a certain way for them based on their native custos? Its either arrogance or very complete misunderstanding of what multiculturism really means here. We accept their ways to a point just dont ever expect us to change ours,ever.That's down right offensive to someone like myslef who is very proud of our progressive western culture.

Should we start doing what the Dutch are doing for immigrants send them an info packet on Western Culture. Ya....culture we have one.

[wildrosegirl]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Regina Regina:

WTF was she doing trying to attend a school anyway?

True. As a devout Muslim woman she should not even be attending school unless she's escorted by a close male relative. Where was he?

Bingo....

If she were that devout, she wouldn't have been there in the first place. I think this is far more a case of I-wanna-have-my-cake-and-eat-it-too-itis. Or simply, "All of the other minorities are doing it".

They offered her perfectly reasonable alternatives. She refused. Three options now remain: 1-Follow the rules like everyone else
2-Correspondence course
3-No course for you!

Simple.

[Brenda]

$1:

The school needs to understand that she has a religous obligation

Why?

[wildrosegirl]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

The school needs to understand that she has a religous obligation

Why?

Exactly. Why?

Religion no longer has a place in school, remember? People fought and petitioned to have it removed from schools. Why should we now fight to have religious rights addressed for this case?

Oh right. To keep the minorities happy.... Okay, you can wear your head gear so we don't infringe on your rights, and we promise we won't recite The Lord's Prayer so we don't offend you.

Not freakin' likely, Miss Headgear.

[stokes]

There are an awful lot of negative comments here, from some they were expected, from others I am a little surprised. I am amazed at how intolerant we are as a society.

Did anyone ever think that the reason why she signed up for that particular course is because the teacher was a female, allowing her to both meet the requirements of education and religon? I dont I am just asking.

I guess the only solution to this problem is to strip all of us of our identities so no more problems are caused by such inconvenient things such such as religon/ beliefs