[PublicAnimalNo9]

commanderkai commanderkai:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Ok Stemmer, that's why GM's recall in 2009 involved MORE vehicles than the Toyota recall of the same period. Nice try.

The largest recall by General Motors was in about April of 2009, involving 1.5 million cars. In 2009, involving the "floor mat" issue, involved 4.2 million cars.

So...where are you getting the whole General Motors has more recalls number?

Sorry, was confusing the FORD numbers(4.5 million) with GM's numbers. It's kinda hard to keep track when you consider ALL the recalls that are going on.
Honda, Volkswagon, even Volvo has had to issue recalls. And those are manufacturers that are supposed to be synonomous with safety and reliability.

[martin14]

you and your blogs are trying to twist 50 year old information,

when Toyota was selling how many cars ?






Are you the blogger. or do you just work for Toyota ?

[commanderkai]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Sorry, was confusing the FORD numbers(4.5 million) with GM's numbers. It's kinda hard to keep track when you consider ALL the recalls that are going on.
Honda, Volkswagon, even Volvo has had to issue recalls. And those are manufacturers that are supposed to be synonomous with safety and reliability.

I agree that there are a lot of recalls, and there will be no perfect car, ever. Most recalls by car companies are usually minor issues to replace one part with another.

One example was when my mom owned a H3 Hummer, we were driving along a very bumpy dirt path after a rainstorm. Now we've been on this path before quite a lot (it was the road linking our subdivision to the main road network) and after driving over a large rock or bump, the side airbags deployed. The sensor was faulty and replaced, as well as the airbags they deployed.

Most recalls are like that. A few incidents happen, that usually aren't fatal, which brings on recalls of all vehicles to check said part, or to replace it completely.

This issue with Toyota is seemingly growing into a design fault (with the electronics) and not a simple part issue. Same with the rollover issue with Explorers. Although it was the tires that were the faulty part, the fact that the entire vehicle suffered a catastrophic failure (by rolling over) was the secondary issue that killed a lot of people. The Pinto was another design fault, thus causing the most deaths.

Design faults are not easily fixed, and the floormats "solution" Toyota came up with made the issue sound like a fault part. If it's a design issue involving the electronics, Toyota might have a bigger issue brewing...

At least, that's what I'm getting from this

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Yeah, I will admit I wasn't buying the floor mat excuse. I've owned a few vehicles with VERY mobile floor mats and never had acceleration(or any other pedal) issues with any of 'em.

[BartSimpson]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/24/busin ... oyota.html

So Toyota is saying they're not sure if their cars will be safe anytime soon.

Funny, Toyota stands behind their products because, Lord knows, it sure as heck ain't safe to stand in front of them.

[stemmer]

blvd88 blvd88:

stemmer stemmer:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Ok Stemmer, that's why GM's recall in 2009 involved MORE vehicles than the Toyota recall of the same period. Nice try.

$1:

There are two factors that make Toyota’s situation different, Hoffer said. The other manufacturers were dealing with one model, and they were older vehicles that were out of production or about to go out of production, he said.

http://www.richmondbizsense.com/2010/02 ... continues/

yeah just a few Fords

1 Ford 2008 (12 million vehicles)
In February of 2008, Ford issued the industry's largest-ever recall, affecting Lincoln and Mercury SUVs, pickups, cars, and vans of model years '93 to '04. The lowly cruise-control switch was behind this mother-of-all do-overs. It had a nasty habit of catching fire, sometimes hours after the vehicle had been parked and turned off. Owner response, however, has been slow, so in a rare move Ford reissued the recall in September of 2008 for the 5 million vehicles still unrepaired.

http://www.mylemon.com/blog/2008/10/10- ... f-all.html

The memo was dated Feb 2008 and the recall was on 1993 to 2004 cars... Again the difference with Toyota is they are cars NOW being sold... If the Ford recall was on 1993 to 2008 then it would have effected current production models... That's the difference....

[stemmer]

martin14 martin14:

you and your blogs are trying to twist 50 year old information,

when Toyota was selling how many cars ?






Are you the blogger. or do you just work for Toyota ?

Comparing GM to Toyota would be like comparing the number of Stanely Cups won by the Montreal Canadiens to the Tampa Bay Lightning. Montreal has been in the NHL for a 100 years and Tampa about 16.... Even if the Lighting won a Cup each year of it's existence, the Habs would still have more... That's why the comparison of GM with Toyota is silly and skewed....

[stemmer]

poquas poquas:

I always found Ridenrain the most obnoxious individual for posting anything partisan to support his particular delusions. He was at least honest about what he was doing.

Stemmer has now taken the throne in my opinion. The only problem is his dishonesty in his reasons for constantly attacking all things Asian.

Stemmer. The sheer numbers of recalls, lawsuits, denials and unnecessary deaths as a result of GM, Ford and the various other North American over the last 100 years dwarfs anything Toyota or any other foreign manufacturer has ever done. The US government is targeting Toyota because they can in a very underhanded form of protectionism. Toyota is admitting to problems and has gone further, faster than any NA manufacture ever has when one of their products has required a recall.
Of course there have been dozens of links posted that show just how wrong you are but as is your nature you again bury your head in the sand (or some other such place) and pretend the links, posts, and anything contrary to your particularly twisted point of view,

Why?

ANd what are my reasons for being anti-Toyota? I've explained to you in the psst I've owned a Celica and a Land Cruiser....

[BartSimpson]

Forbes is suggesting a 'ghost in the machine' that's killing people.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/23/flint- ... gelighttop

Makes me wonder if Toyota has created the first Cylon or maybe Skynet is a step closer to not just being a plot device. In any case, it's obvious we've created machines that can autonomously kill us.

[2Cdo]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah, I will admit I wasn't buying the floor mat excuse. I've owned a few vehicles with VERY mobile floor mats and never had acceleration(or any other pedal) issues with any of 'em.

I've had floor matts drift forward and PREVENT acceleration.

[BartSimpson]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I've had floor matts drift forward and PREVENT acceleration.

I've had empty beer bottles do that, too.

[2Cdo]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I've had floor matts drift forward and PREVENT acceleration.

I've had empty beer bottles do that, too.

I shouldn't laugh, but that is so true. Back in the day when drinking and driving was the norm.

[stemmer]

blvd88 blvd88:

[quote="stemmer"
The memo was dated Feb 2008 and the recall was on 1993 to 2004 cars... Again the difference with Toyota is they are cars NOW being sold... If the Ford recall was on 1993 to 2008 then it would have effected current production models... That's the difference....

Really? In one of your previous posts you said GM and FORD only had a few models that were effected .

$1:

Stemmer..The difference between the GM/Ford and Toyota problems is...the GM/Ford issue was unique to a model line or two. The Toyota problem is throughout the majority of it's models...(unlike GM or Ford)...

This has been going on for ten years right across the Ford line.[/quote]

Please go back and read the news article I linked to....

[stemmer]

You simply don't get it...this single recall by Toyota is affecting 8 million cars alone... That's 8 million cars in a single recall....

[stemmer]

That's OK... I'll take a new Corvette or Camaro over anything thing Toyota offers any day....