[andyt]

This case wasn't just about the parent's beliefs, tho writing on the children was deemed a form of assault. But also:

$1:

Rivoalen said the case was not so much about racism as it was about bad parenting, both by the man and his ex-wife. Rivoalen said the children lived "in squalor and filth" and were exposed to excessive substance abuse and violence. The man shot birds and squirrels and then fed them to his dog in front of the children.

I doubt the Muslim extremists lets their children live in squalor, and I doubt that substance abuse is much of an issue there either.

If we're going to remove children based on extreme beliefs, a lot of evangelical families would qualify, as would, in my opinion say Steve Harper's kids. That neocon ideology is pretty dangerous too.

[Curtman]

MGX MGX:

In this thread, people get away with stereotyping and bashing other people's religions especially muslims.

You must be new here.. It's not just this thread.

[KorbenDeck]

MGX MGX:

In this thread, people get away with stereotyping and bashing other people's religions especially muslims.

Well the Islam topic has been touched on many times and as far as the the threads I have read since joining the forums the pro-Islam people have been generally unsuccessful in defending Islam. Usually resorting to "well X many years ago the Christians were doing this", which is pretty much like saying "Stalin wasn't a bad guy, because Hitler was killing people as well".

If you do decide to defend Islam, make sure you know your stuff first i.e. you've at lest read the Quran once.

[GreenTiger]

MGX MGX:

In this thread, people get away with stereotyping and bashing other people's religions especially muslims.

We only bash the Fundamentalist Islamic Extremest religions that want to destroy us, then we do bash away.

[Bodah]

Curtman Curtman:

MGX MGX:

In this thread, people get away with stereotyping and bashing other people's religions especially muslims.

You must be new here.. It's not just this thread.

oohhh the poor Khadr's a misunderstood family that just needs a hug, give me a fucking break.

[Bodah]

andyt andyt:

This case wasn't just about the parent's beliefs, tho writing on the children was deemed a form of assault. But also:

$1:

Rivoalen said the case was not so much about racism as it was about bad parenting, both by the man and his ex-wife. Rivoalen said the children lived "in squalor and filth" and were exposed to excessive substance abuse and violence. The man shot birds and squirrels and then fed them to his dog in front of the children.

I doubt the Muslim extremists lets their children live in squalor, and I doubt that substance abuse is much of an issue there either.

If we're going to remove children based on extreme beliefs, a lot of evangelical families would qualify, as would, in my opinion say Steve Harper's kids. That neocon ideology is pretty dangerous too.

Harper take his kids to a warzone to kill our allies ? no.

Khadr's are far worse than this family.

[Curtman]

Bodah Bodah:

Curtman Curtman:

MGX MGX:

In this thread, people get away with stereotyping and bashing other people's religions especially muslims.

You must be new here.. It's not just this thread.

oohhh the poor Khadr's a misunderstood family that just needs a hug, give me a fucking break.

Thanks for proving my point. It's impossible to have a discussion about muslims without some jackass bringing up Omar Khadr. It's the new Godwin's Law.

[Bodah]

The point is the hypocrisy of what constitutes unfit parents in this country. One fact you can't dispute is that they took a family vacation to a warzone. You think there's nothing unfit about that huh ?

Better luck next time Tex on trying to make that racist label stick.

[Curtman]

Bodah Bodah:

The point is the hypocrisy of what constitutes unfit parents in this country. One fact you can't dispute is that they took a family vacation to a warzone. You think there's nothing unfit about that huh ?

Better luck next time Tex on trying to make that racist label stick.

I made no comment about how unfit Omar Khadr's family is. I would like to know why the conversation immediately switches to Omar Khadr when someone says muslim around here though.

You probably don't even realize you are doing it.

[jason700]

Good decision by the courts in this case.

As for other potential cases involving Muslims, etc., we'll deal with them as they come. If you know of a Muslim case that parallels this one in which the parents got to keep their children, please post a link or something. Then I'd understand what you're all complaining about.

[PimpBrewski123]

Honour killings.

There are a few examples of this, but the most recent, being a Montreal family. Their traditions were forced on their kids that are not allowed to intergrate Canadian values.

[andyt]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

Honour killings.

There are a few examples of this, but the most recent, being a Montreal family. Their traditions were forced on their kids that are not allowed to intergrate Canadian values.

Sure, but at least the parents don't get to keep their kids in that case.

These kids weren't just removed for ideology, the ideology written on their bodies is just what attracted the attention of the authorities. Just that writing on the body - do you think that's good parenting, or is that kid going to have a really tough time in school if it was let go?

But as far as indoctrinating kids goes, well every parent does that. And, depending on your pov, that indoctrination might be seen as outside the norm. So removing kids just for ideology, even something as extreme as jihad, is a pretty slippery slope to walk out on. Actions, such as what happened to Kadhr, that's a different thing.

[Bodah]

Curtman Curtman:

I made no comment about how unfit Omar Khadr's family is.

I know, and you probably never will. A fine family.

[MGX]

Bodah Bodah:

Curtman Curtman:

I made no comment about how unfit Omar Khadr's family is.

I know, and you probably never will. A fine family.

Nice straw man. I was specifically talking about muslims. You just had to throw in Omar Khadr as if his family applies to all muslims. I think curtman recognizes the fact that Omar Khadr family is unfit. You're trying to accuse him of something he never said in the first place. However, that should have no bearing on wether or mot muslims are unfit parents. You're presumption of guilt by association is ridiculous. What happened to people being personal responsible of their actions instead of being judged by their religion? Grow up.

[Curtman]

Bodah Bodah:

Curtman Curtman:

I made no comment about how unfit Omar Khadr's family is.

I know, and you probably never will. A fine family.

If you say so. Again for the record, I'm happy with where Omar is today and I hope he stays there. But very soon you'll be accusing me of being in love with the Khadr family again.