[bootlegga]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Also, no Conservative will vote to give the Bloc power like the former coalition almost did

Well, that's not technically true, as Harper tried to form his own coalition with the NDP and Bloc to unseat Martin in 2005. To do so, he would have had to offer to give them at least some power.

[commanderkai]

bootlegga bootlegga:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Also, no Conservative will vote to give the Bloc power like the former coalition almost did

Well, that's not technically true, as Harper tried to form his own coalition with the NDP and Bloc to unseat Martin in 2005. To do so, he would have had to offer to give them at least some power.

Define "Tried"? I never heard of this, so either it wasn't even past any sort of planning stage, or the Liberal Party really dropped the ball with the PR about that

[Curtman]

commanderkai commanderkai:

bootlegga bootlegga:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Also, no Conservative will vote to give the Bloc power like the former coalition almost did

Well, that's not technically true, as Harper tried to form his own coalition with the NDP and Bloc to unseat Martin in 2005. To do so, he would have had to offer to give them at least some power.

Define "Tried"? I never heard of this, so either it wasn't even past any sort of planning stage, or the Liberal Party really dropped the ball with the PR about that

Or maybe because nobody really believes it matters except you guys. If the bloc decides to support the coalition again, they agree to vote along with the coalition for a period of time. You really think that gives them more power instead of less?

If it forces disparate parties to work together to represent a more broad base of support, I'm all for it. Even if that means it ends up being lead by Harper.

[EyeBrock]

bootlegga bootlegga:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Also, no Conservative will vote to give the Bloc power like the former coalition almost did

Well, that's not technically true, as Harper tried to form his own coalition with the NDP and Bloc to unseat Martin in 2005. To do so, he would have had to offer to give them at least some power.

Boots, thats a stretch mate. Harper's Tories and the NDP agreed to vote on matters that they both agreed on, case by case.

It's hardly the same as the failed and official coalition with signatures on documents, big media blitz etc. Come on!

[bootlegga]

Harper wanted to form his own coalition to replace Martin, but he couldn't get it off the ground.

$1:

Layton, in turn, told the House that Harper's tone toward the Bloc has changed since he proposed in a letter to the Governor General in 2004 that the Conservatives should be afforded an opportunity to form a government with the Bloc and the NDP if the Martin government were to be defeated.

"I didn't hear any of this high and mighty language and moral indignation from the prime minister when he signed a document along with myself and Mr. Duceppe a few years ago," the New Democrat leader said.

"He simply can't be trusted."

Speaking to reporters outside the Commons, the Bloc leader said the 2004 letter shows Harper "certainly wasn't as afraid as he is now of the naughty separatists."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/ ... eriod.html

The desire was there, just not the ability to play well with others.

[EyeBrock]

Well, the sandbox isn't a good spot for Stevey granted!

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Harper wanted to form his own coalition to replace Martin, but he couldn't get it off the ground.

$1:

Layton, in turn, told the House that Harper's tone toward the Bloc has changed since he proposed in a letter to the Governor General in 2004 that the Conservatives should be afforded an opportunity to form a government with the Bloc and the NDP if the Martin government were to be defeated.

"I didn't hear any of this high and mighty language and moral indignation from the prime minister when he signed a document along with myself and Mr. Duceppe a few years ago," the New Democrat leader said.

"He simply can't be trusted."

Speaking to reporters outside the Commons, the Bloc leader said the 2004 letter shows Harper "certainly wasn't as afraid as he is now of the naughty separatists."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/ ... eriod.html

The desire was there, just not the ability to play well with others.

Good for you Bootlegga - keep that info out there. It's amazing the hypocrisy of the reformacons and their supporters. They love to do the "liberals did it too" thing, but forget all about their own actions.

Harper would sell his grandmother to get a majority.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Harper wanted to form his own coalition to replace Martin, but he couldn't get it off the ground.

$1:

Layton, in turn, told the House that Harper's tone toward the Bloc has changed since he proposed in a letter to the Governor General in 2004 that the Conservatives should be afforded an opportunity to form a government with the Bloc and the NDP if the Martin government were to be defeated.

"I didn't hear any of this high and mighty language and moral indignation from the prime minister when he signed a document along with myself and Mr. Duceppe a few years ago," the New Democrat leader said.

"He simply can't be trusted."

Speaking to reporters outside the Commons, the Bloc leader said the 2004 letter shows Harper "certainly wasn't as afraid as he is now of the naughty separatists."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/ ... eriod.html

The desire was there, just not the ability to play well with others.

Good for you Bootlegga - keep that info out there. It's amazing the hypocrisy of the reformacons and their supporters. They love to do the "liberals did it too" thing, but forget all about their own actions.

Harper would sell his grandmother to get a majority.

As would any politician of any stripe if it meant getting into the PM's office. Give yer head a shake.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

As would any politician of any stripe if it meant getting into the PM's office. Give yer head a shake.

Give your head a shake seems to be a favorite reformacon expression - maybe that's why they're so daft. Will you still say the same thing at the next liberal outrage?

[Public_Domain]

[EyeBrock]

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

As would any politician of any stripe if it meant getting into the PM's office. Give yer head a shake.

Give your head a shake seems to be a favorite reformacon expression - maybe that's why they're so daft. Will you still say the same thing at the next liberal outrage?

As an immigrant to this fine country I can say that 'give your head a shake' is definitely a North American saying and it doesn't appear to follow voting trends.

Also I can't be a reformo-thingy as I don't say it. I prefer "what a load of bollocks" instead of the shaky head thing.

So, andy, what a load of bollocks you are talking.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

As would any politician of any stripe if it meant getting into the PM's office. Give yer head a shake.

Give your head a shake seems to be a favorite reformacon expression - maybe that's why they're so daft. Will you still say the same thing at the next liberal outrage?

Really? So you equate non-partisanship with being a reformacon? And yet, the ONLY time I've voted Conservative was when Harris was running for Premier of Ontario.
Seems to me the reformacon label is a favourite expression of dim witted liberal weenies to use on ppl that are actually able to think for themselves.
Ya see andyt, I calls 'em as I sees 'em. I don't give a flying rat's ass what stripe a politician is.
Just in case you weren't paying attention, I've bashed Cons, Libs and Dippers in here for the stupid shit they've done. But I wouldn't expect a partisan like you to understand what non-partisanship means. Talk about being daft

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

PublicAnimalNo9, everyone seems to think you're a NeoCon.

Nahhh just the brain dead morons think I am

[andyt]

You're falling into the exact same trap that I fell into by assuming that I'm partisan. Well, I am in the sense that I'm anti reformacon. But I've voted all over the spectrum, including for John Fraser when he was running - he was a conservative I could respect. I have a lot of use for old timey type conservatives, especially the 'red' type, but the neocons just stick in my throat.

Sure, you're rigbt about all politicians selling their soul for power - they have to, otherwise they won't get in. From my view, tho, the reformacons just seem better at moral outrage, maybe because I'm so partisan.

[EyeBrock]

andyt andyt:

You're falling into the exact same trap that I fell into by assuming that I'm partisan. Well, I am in the sense that I'm anti reformacon. But I've voted all over the spectrum, including for John Fraser when he was running - he was a conservative I could respect. I have a lot of use for old timey type conservatives, especially the 'red' type, but the neocons just stick in my throat.

Sure, you're rigbt about all politicians selling their soul for power - they have to, otherwise they won't get in. From my view, tho, the reformacons just seem better at moral outrage, maybe because I'm so partisan.

I'm OUTRAGED!