[poquas]

Hey. Don't forget Korea. You took a shot at them the other day too.

Your disdain has nothing to do with protectionism and you know it. Your common attack is regarding quality remember?

At best you appear to be xenophobic. At worst, just racist like others have pointed out.

Based on your history, I lean toward the latter.

[Lemmy]

Stemmer's full of shit when it comes to Toyota, but I don't think he's a racist. Sorry, but that's a pretty dirty tag to lay on someone. He's just fanatical about North American cars.

[Yogi]

stemmer stemmer:

As I've said before I have nothing against Asian people. I have hwever great disdain for the unfair trade policies and protectionism of Japan...

OK. Now you have clarified the reason for your disdain of imported vehicles. And that reason is political! Separate that from the vehicles, and you might have a valid discussion about it. Hey. If I were inclined to do a bit of research on the subject, I may well even agree with you! It has nothing to do with the vehicle quality. That is what comes through on all your posts about foreign vehicles. Let's face it Stemmer. All vehicle manufacturers have produced their fair share of lemmons. Certainly, every vehicle manufacturer in the world has had 'fuck ups' which have required recalls or reworkings, or repairs. Such as is going on with the 'gas pedal issue'. Not all imports are crap, far from it, and not all N.A. vehicles are 'jewels'. Far from it!

[Gunnair]

stemmer stemmer:

As I've said before I have nothing against Asian people. I have hwever great disdain for the unfair trade policies and protectionism of Japan...

Bullshit. You regularly empty your bile on Asians, and it's not often you're pointing out trade polocies and protectionism.

[Gunnair]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Stemmer's full of shit when it comes to Toyota, but I don't think he's a racist. Sorry, but that's a pretty dirty tag to lay on someone. He's just fanatical about North American cars.

A number of those foriegn cars are built in NA by Americans and Canadians with spin off jobs and industries here as well. Not a word about that from Stemmer.

Therefore, I call bullshit. It's pure racism.

[stemmer]

You need to go back and find some of the points BartSimpson & I have made in the past about Japan's unfair trade policies... The Big Three would not be allowed to easily setup plants in Japan as have Toyota, Honda, etc in North America...

Even Ranault has remarked the only way they could setup plants in Japan was to invest in Nissan but sadly they still have opposition from Japan's government to bring in the Renault brand...

Japan want's free trade on our shores but is the most protectionist nation among the industrialized nations when it comes to allowing imports into their country...

[Lemmy]

stemmer stemmer:

You need to go back and find some of the points BartSimpson & I have made in the past about Japan's unfair trade policies... The Big Three would not be allowed to easily setup plants in Japan as have Toyota, Honda, etc in North America...

Even Ranault has remarked the only way they could setup plants in Japan was to invest in Nissan but sadly they still have opposition from Japan's government to bring in the Renault brand...

Japan want's free trade on our shores but is the most protectionist nation among the industrialized nations when it comes to allowing imports into their country...

The history of the Big Three is no better. The Big Three prevented domestic competition during the post-war period. Tucker and DeLorean are only two of many examples where the Big Three conspired with the US government to quash entrepreneurial endeavour in the auto industry. The US government also kept forgeign cars (especially Japanese) out of the North Ameican market during the 70s and 80s. The Big Three invented the "Voluntary Export Restriction", even though we know full-well that there was nothing 'voluntary' about it from the Japanese perspective.

You're absolutely correct, Japan is one of the most protectionist nations today when it comes to imports, but over the course of their history, they're record is no worse than the American auto industry when it comes to anti-competitive practises.

You can play that card, Stemmer, but you need to acknowledge that American auto-makers have behaved AT LEAST as badly when it comes to protectionism.

[Mustang1]

Gunnair Gunnair:

stemmer stemmer:

As I've said before I have nothing against Asian people. I have hwever great disdain for the unfair trade policies and protectionism of Japan...

Bullshit. You regularly empty your bile on Asians, and it's not often you're pointing out trade polocies and protectionism.

I agree...it's pathological as he doesn't seem to give a crap about the Canadian plants that are shut down during this issue or any other recent recalls (Ford). This is all he posts about and it's the same song each and every time.

Besides, why hasn't he commented on the fact that while Toyota has indeed messed up its reliability short-term, many business insiders suggest that its open and quick public response could save it long-term. Can't bash the Japanese on this one, i guess.

[poquas]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Stemmer's full of shit when it comes to Toyota, but I don't think he's a racist. Sorry, but that's a pretty dirty tag to lay on someone. He's just fanatical about North American cars.

If it walks like a duck……

There are many topics that his “beliefs” have shone through his words. There’s a lot to be discerned by how someone says or doesn’t say something in the words that are presented.

It’s just my opinion, but it’s backed by an entire career of reading between the lines.

As was stated before his intent is thinly disguised and I find it offensive.

[commanderkai]

commanderkai commanderkai:

The one thing I'm curious about is if it's standard practice to send working parts to the factories instead of the dealers first.

I'm quoting myself for an answer. Is this some standard practice, or something unique that Toyota did?

[poquas]

I imagine that the factory is the place any testing and serious examination is going to occur rather than subjecting a customer at a dealership being turned into a guinea pig.

[commanderkai]

poquas poquas:

I imagine that the factory is the place any testing and serious examination is going to occur rather than subjecting a customer at a dealership being turned into a guinea pig.

Eh...if they need to test a fixed part, why would they screw with a production line? They have testing facilities, don't they? Factories are just that, factories, they build things, they aren't labs.

So yeah, I don't think that's it.

[scarecrowe]

Lemmy Lemmy:

You can play that card, Stemmer, but you need to acknowledge that American auto-makers have behaved AT LEAST as badly when it comes to protectionism.

Register a company in NA that builds cars in NA and try to export them to Japan.
Next, register a company in Japan that builds cars in Japan and try to exprot them to NA.

If you see a difference, then you went to a lot of trouble to reveal the obvious. There are no imported vehicles from NA manufacturers that manufacture vehicles in NA in Japan.