[andyt]

I'm babbling about you saying that it needs to rise to the level of a Paul Bernardo to be stripped of the medal, and asking you where you see the cutoff point? Rape OK? Child abuse? Fraud obviously passes in your scheme. So that Canadian version of Madoff they just convicted (forget his name) he would get to keep his if he had one?

[Scape]

This is sad but does not take away from what he has done.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

I'm babbling about you saying that it needs to rise to the level of a Paul Bernardo to be stripped of the medal

No I didn't. Go back to school. Learn English.

[andyt]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

I agree. I mean maybe I could understand if he turned into some notorious killer like Bernardo or something but not for this.

So between Bernardo and Fonyo, what's your cutoff point?

[Akhenaten]

Did you go back to school already? Or did you just finally decide to grow up a little and address what I said instead of what you wish I said.

I'll wait for someone reasonable to ask me the question. I'm not interested in your 'argue anything' game. Try playing with someone else.

[Lemmy]

So, if he was removed from the Order because of criminal convictions, does that mean he'll be reinstated if, somewhere down the road, he receives a pardon on those convictions?

[andyt]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Did you go back to school already? Or did you just finally decide to grow up a little and address what I said instead of what you wish I said.

I'll wait for someone reasonable to ask me the question. I'm not interested in your 'argue anything' game. Try playing with someone else.

$1:

Akhenaten wrote:
I agree. I mean maybe I could understand if he turned into some notorious killer like Bernardo or something but not for this.

I guess you're taking refuge in your "or something" to deny what you meant, but you came up with a pretty extreme example. Seems like a pretty extreme cut off point to me.

Fonyo has been convicted of assault with a weapon possession of a stolen vehicle, fraud as well as repeatedly drunk driving. As what point does that rise to the level of revoking the award? Sher Singh was stripped of the order tho not convicted of any crime. Should he get it back too?

[Akhenaten]

$1:

I guess you're taking refuge in your "or something" to deny what you meant...

Yep. Sure thing. I cannot hope to debate such unmitigated genius such as yours. You win. I am humiliated. Don't really know how I can continue on.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Did you go back to school already? Or did you just finally decide to grow up a little and address what I said instead of what you wish I said.

I'll wait for someone reasonable to ask me the question. I'm not interested in your 'argue anything' game. Try playing with someone else.

$1:

Akhenaten wrote:
I agree. I mean maybe I could understand if he turned into some notorious killer like Bernardo or something but not for this.

I guess you're taking refuge in your "or something" to deny what you meant, but you came up with a pretty extreme example. Seems like a pretty extreme cut off point to me.

Fonyo has been convicted of assault with a weapon possession of a stolen vehicle, fraud as well as repeatedly drunk driving. As what point does that rise to the level of revoking the award? Sher Singh was stripped of the order tho not convicted of any crime. Should he get it back too?

Please enlighten this stupid immigrant. Why did this guy get one, and why was it revoked?

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

Please enlighten this stupid immigrant. Why did this guy get one, and why was it revoked?

$1:

The Order of Canada was given to Singh in 2001 for his work as an advocate for “the importance of positive race relations and interactive dialogue among members of different religions.”

But in 2007 Singh was found guilty of professional misconduct by the watchdog Law Society of Upper Canada and banned from practising law. Before the ban, he was also suspended from the legal profession in November 2005.

In its ban order, the Law Society had said that Singh deposited cheques from a client into an account that was not his trust account and accepted trust funds from clients, but “failed to render an account, failed to perform substantial work on the file,” and failed to return any of the retainer fee in one case.”

He was also charged with misappropriating $2,000 from an Indo-Canadian client and continuing to practice even when he was suspended. Since the ban on him, the Canadian Governor-General’s advisory council, which chooses nominations for the Order of Canada and also recommends termination of the award, has been reviewing the award on Singh.

A government statement revoking the Order said Monday: “The termination of Mr. Singh’s appointment to the Order of Canada is pursuant to the Law Society of Upper Canada finding Mr. Singh guilty of professional misconduct and revoking his licence to practise law,” the statement said, adding that termination was effective from December 10, 2008.

The statement said that it (revocation) can be considered when the conduct of the awardee “constitutes a significant departure from generally-recognized standards of public behaviour which is seen to undermine the credibility, integrity or relevance of the Order, or detracts from the original grounds upon which the appointment was based.”

The Order can be revoked if the person “has been subject to official sanction, such as a fine or a reprimand, by an adjudicating body, professional association or other organization,” the statement added. Singh, who came to Toronto from Patna in the early 1970s, was the first turbaned Sikh to be given Canada’s highest civilian award.

Apart from being a regular columnist for Canada’s biggest daily Toronto Star, Singh also served on many high-profile professional bodies. He became famous when he made headlines by dragging former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney to court for appointing a corrupt politician to the Senate in 1990.

[andyt]

So you mean Singh? Don't know why he got one, maybe for being a good immigrant or something. He lost if for being disbarred from the Upper Canada Law Society for professional misconduct.

Next up - Conrad Black and Garth Drabinski. But I guess Ahkenaten would leave them theirs too, since they didn't kill anybody. Same with Ahenakew. He just said some nasty things.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

But I guess Ahkenaten would leave them theirs too, since they didn't kill anybody. Same with Ahenakew. He just said some nasty things.

Yaaaawn.

[Brenda]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Brenda Brenda:

Please enlighten this stupid immigrant. Why did this guy get one, and why was it revoked?

$1:

The Order of Canada was given to Singh in 2001 for his work as an advocate for “the importance of positive race relations and interactive dialogue among members of different religions.”

But in 2007 Singh was found guilty of professional misconduct by the watchdog Law Society of Upper Canada and banned from practising law. Before the ban, he was also suspended from the legal profession in November 2005.

In its ban order, the Law Society had said that Singh deposited cheques from a client into an account that was not his trust account and accepted trust funds from clients, but “failed to render an account, failed to perform substantial work on the file,” and failed to return any of the retainer fee in one case.”

He was also charged with misappropriating $2,000 from an Indo-Canadian client and continuing to practice even when he was suspended. Since the ban on him, the Canadian Governor-General’s advisory council, which chooses nominations for the Order of Canada and also recommends termination of the award, has been reviewing the award on Singh.

A government statement revoking the Order said Monday: “The termination of Mr. Singh’s appointment to the Order of Canada is pursuant to the Law Society of Upper Canada finding Mr. Singh guilty of professional misconduct and revoking his licence to practise law,” the statement said, adding that termination was effective from December 10, 2008.

The statement said that it (revocation) can be considered when the conduct of the awardee “constitutes a significant departure from generally-recognized standards of public behaviour which is seen to undermine the credibility, integrity or relevance of the Order, or detracts from the original grounds upon which the appointment was based.”

The Order can be revoked if the person “has been subject to official sanction, such as a fine or a reprimand, by an adjudicating body, professional association or other organization,” the statement added. Singh, who came to Toronto from Patna in the early 1970s, was the first turbaned Sikh to be given Canada’s highest civilian award.

Apart from being a regular columnist for Canada’s biggest daily Toronto Star, Singh also served on many high-profile professional bodies. He became famous when he made headlines by dragging former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney to court for appointing a corrupt politician to the Senate in 1990.

Thanks Derb

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

But I guess Ahkenaten would leave them theirs too, since they didn't kill anybody. Same with Ahenakew. He just said some nasty things.

Yaaaawn.

I don't know man. He does have a point. Plenty of people have had their orders stripped for stuff less then what this guy got and the order does have continued good behaviour as a requirement.

You could make the point though that his reason for getting it trumped the reasons cited for stripping him.

Of course Cormiers hometown is apparently split on his suspension too so these like this can go either way.

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I don't know man. He does have a point.

No he doesn't. Not remotely. He took something that was obviously, to any adult, an exaggeration and then went ahead and extrapolated even further and expects me it answer. Forget it. I'm sick of those games. Besides I don't really trust people who don't allow rep points.