[ridenrain]

If Quebec and Toronto want to sign it's own agreements and send money to the 3rd world, they can go right ahead. Just don't sign up for us.

[DerbyX]

Well nationmasters.com is as unbiased a site as you can get. Its always easier to pick on the little guy right. That's what bullies do and it seems like this is the case.

[DerbyX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _emissions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... per_capita

[Akhenaten]

$1:

Not sure what you mean about the oil sands providing money beyond employment though. They both produce goods for sale. Where is the difference?

Meaning okay if you employ someone they get paid and spend and pay taxes. That helps us. But unlike the oil sands the lackluster Ontario auto industry which isn't really making any money at all, in fact aren't they one of the biggest suckers of 'corporate welfare'?

So in the end while both may employ people only the oil is providing what?...$21Billion to the rest of the country?

DerbyX DerbyX:

Myself I may believe in AGW but I think carbon trading is mostly shit. I think Canada should look to conservation when it doesn't impact negatively (or target one province), switching to better and greener power production, and just out and out planting lots and lots of trees (as part of an eco restoration program).

I agree 100%. I don't think global warming is a scam....but the Copenhagen deal sure is.

[EyeBrock]

Interesting though eh Derby?

Especially after all that bile that that CBC chick spewed in the UK's Guardian and the UK pinkies like Monboit going on about Canada while the UK pumps out 20% more CO2 than we do.

An inconvenient truth.

[EyeBrock]

"Canada's image lies in tatters. It is now to climate what Japan is to whaling
The tar barons have held the nation to ransom. This thuggish petro-state is today the greatest obstacle to a deal in Copenhagen."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... imate-deal

"It's embarrassing to be Canadian now
George Monbiot is right – Canada has become a corrupt petro-state most of us are ashamed of. But all is not lost."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... etro-state

Left wing Canadian and Limey hypocrites.

[Akhenaten]

I think it's important to note as well that (well imo)China is more or less getting a pass from everyone (of consequence) in Copenhagen because everyone does business with China. So much easier to pick on some tiny "nobody-ever-heard-of-it" province in Canada that mostly only does business with the US.

[N_Fiddledog]

So, I read the title of this thread...

Harper lays low in Copenhagen

First Reaction - Good strategy Stephen.

I read all the posts here, and my opinion hasn't changed.

I don't give a damn what Monbiot, and the bearded idiots throwing rocks through windows at Copenhagen think. The strategy here is lay low, and continue on unless something of significance happens to force our hand. Makes sense to me.

[ridenrain]

I just posted this as a news bit.
Good thing nothing was signed.
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Co ... story.html

[Annihilator]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I just posted this as a news bit.
Good thing nothing was signed.
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Co ... story.html

Ok, this is the ultimate proof that global warming activists don't give a fuck about environment and just want to get their communist agenda through.

How can you even consider STEALING money from innocent families for your personnal interests, all while hipocritically hiding behing the "noble intentions" of saving the planet.

That is sickening at best.

[Zipperfish]

The bottom line for Canada is that we rely on the tar sands for big tax dollars and in the various AGW projections we fare relatively well. Viewing it from Canadian interests, there's not much incentive to sign anything.

Africa will get most screwed, but then they always get the most screwed. Let them eat cake.

[ridenrain]

Zip: Are you ready to pay $3000 more, just to keep your greenie friends happy?

[Zipperfish]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Zip: Are you ready to pay $3000 more, just to keep your greenie friends happy?

Well, no. As stated, from Canada's interest, it doesn't make sense for us. We'll pay anyways to adapt. And, if AGW predictions are correct, we will likely be paying more to support a refugee crisis in Asia and Africa, or dealing with wars that break out as a result of masses of people having to move. Of course any of that could come about by other types of crises as well (socio-economic, religious strife, overfishing, lack of fresh water, etc).

I'm willing to pay extra on my energy bill to do what it takes to get the oil sands to sequester or otherwise treat CO2. I think there would be a long-term payback for that, because when it becomes apparent that the temperature is continuing to rise, dealing with CO2 will become a more salient issue, and our technology therefore more marketable.

I'm not actually particularly green. I just believe that AGW will be a serious issue.

[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The bottom line for Canada is that we rely on the tar sands for big tax dollars and in the various AGW projections we fare relatively well. Viewing it from Canadian interests, there's not much incentive to sign anything.

Africa will get most screwed, but then they always get the most screwed. Let them eat cake.

Ooer, big give-away. They are called the 'oil-sands' but 'tar-sands' does make them sound worse.

And that's what this is all about. Hype.

[PluggyRug]

How about passing all the Copenhagen assholes through the Spanish Inquisition. After all it's a religion that goes against accepted dogma.