[DerbyX]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Can somebody explain how Harper comes into play here?

He put forth the bill that they are attacking Iggy for. The bill puts into law the HST for the provinces and because Harper does not have a majority he needs support.

Understand?

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Yeah.. saying it's terrible then voting for it is a great example of Liberal policy.

Nothing says Lberal like licking your finger, checking the political breeze and then shouting MAYBE!

Like Harper did with the deficit and economy?

Harper - Oct 08 "we will run a fisically conservative government and no deficit"

Harper - Oct 09 "our deficit will only be 56 billion"

Great job!

[ridenrain]

Spin much?

[DerbyX]

Just truth.

How is it possible for Iggy to be responsible for a bill Harper put forth?

[ridenrain]

I didn't say Iggy was responsible but the framework for provincial HST was established before he, or Harper took office.

This is just empty headed spin.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I didn't say Iggy was responsible but the framework for provincial HST was established before he, or Harper took office.

This is just empty headed spin.

No this is just hapless cons trying to blame Iggy for their own faults.

[ridenrain]

Remember this from page:1?

$1:

Harper shifts tax burden onto Ontario families
Tue 08 Sep 2009

Surprise HST deal with Liberals will hit Ontario pocketbooks hard
OTTAWA – Ontarians are facing an eight percent increase in the cost of everything from funerals to car repairs, airline tickets, vitamins, movie tickets, summer camps and home heating because of a deal the Harper Conservatives have struck with the McGuinty Liberals, warns New Democrat Leader Jack Layton.

Harper’s surprise harmonised-sales-tax (HST) deal with Liberals, which will merge the provincial sales tax with the GST, will not only add the new tax to many items that are not now covered by the provincial sales tax, but will shift the tax burden from business onto Ontario families and consumers, says Layton.

“At a time when many Canadian families are struggling to pay their bills, Stephen Harper is raising the prices on everyday essentials, and, worse, spending billions to do it,” said Layton. “Stephen Harper’s famous chorus is that there is no such thing as a good tax, and yet here he is paying provinces to agree with him on raising taxes,” he added.

The federal government is planning to spend $4.3 billion to get Ontario to agree to the newly expanded HST, which will come into effect July 1, 2010.

“New Democrats remain unequivocally opposed to the proposed HST and are the only real voice of opposition to Harper’s plan to raise taxes on Ontario families,” said Layton.

Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff lent his party’s support to the Harper government’s mission to foist harmonized sales taxes on the consumers of Ontario, British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and PEI. During debate on the last federal budget, the Liberals did not raise a peep in opposition to the HST. Now, in the face of public outrage, the Liberal leader is flip-flopping.

“At best, Mr. Ignatieff’s position on the HST is ambiguous. At worst, it is dishonest,” said Layton. “New Democrats remain steadfast in our opposition to Stephen Harper’s plan to shift the tax burden onto Ontario families.”

http://www.ndp.ca/press/harper-shifts-t ... o-families

I know you Libs don't like to credit the dippers for taking your points but you guys really bit this one big time.

[DerbyX]

Amazing how you think Layton has it all together when the sound bite favours you eh?

Any word about your support over his stance on Afghanistan? Whats that .......? I can't quite hear you.

Oh that's right. Your hypocrisy is drowning the sound out.

Say what you will sunshine but Harper penned the bill to make the HST possible.

[ridenrain]

Spin away.

The Dose and Iggy both were against the HST yet they voted for it.

Spin that fact.

Hey. that ban looks good on you too.

[DerbyX]

Harper is the guy who made it happen.

His bill. His responsibility.

[ridenrain]

Your leader voted for it, despite all the lip servise against it.
Who's the real fool here?

[DerbyX]

You guy, your tax. Harper enabled your province to stick it to you.

[ridenrain]

You drinking again? What part of hypocricy don't you get?
Harper never said it was a bad thing.
Your guy and his jolly mouthpieces said it was hell on earth.. then they voted for it.

This was always a provincial matter and it was stupid for federal politicos to even get involved.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You drinking again? What part of hypocricy don't you get?
Harper never said it was a bad thing.
Your guy and his jolly mouthpieces said it was hell on earth.. then they voted for it.

This was always a provincial matter and it was stupid for federal politicos to even get involved.

Drinking because I missed an "r" You must be permablitzed speller guy.

You are acting like Iggy's support is akin to sticking it to people. Harper penned the bill for that sunshine.

[ridenrain]

Doesn't matter. Harper has always been for the HST so there's no foul there.

Both Ignartieff and The Dose both came down against this, then they voted for it.
Working definition of hypocrisy.