[GreenTiger]

I think somebody from the American DOD has a bad reaction to a hit of ACID.

[bootlegga]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

In think the pentagon is professionally paranoid.

I think there are sections to the Pentagon devoted to this. Understandable, but I'm just saying.

I remember reading the US plan to invade and knock out Canada from...I think the 1930s, if, IIRC, Great Britain went to war against the United States for whatever reason, and Canada sided with the UK over the US. It was an interesting read, and it makes you wonder what "US Invasion Plan" The UK has in some file room.

That was War Plan Red, and it was shelved a few years after we shelved Defence Plan 1, which was a counterstrike by Canadian forces in the event of hostilities with the US.

If you want to read some interesting (AKA tin foil hat) theories, look up Floyd Rudmin's Bordering on Aggression, who has argued in the past that the US Army base at Fort Drum, NY is there in the event of a Canadian civil war/ breakdown of society. As ludicrous as it sounds, it was a fascinating read.

http://www.amazon.com/Bordering-Aggress ... 0921842090

[Gunnair]

bootlegga bootlegga:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

In think the pentagon is professionally paranoid.

I think there are sections to the Pentagon devoted to this. Understandable, but I'm just saying.

I remember reading the US plan to invade and knock out Canada from...I think the 1930s, if, IIRC, Great Britain went to war against the United States for whatever reason, and Canada sided with the UK over the US. It was an interesting read, and it makes you wonder what "US Invasion Plan" The UK has in some file room.

That was War Plan Red, and it was shelved a few years after we shelved Defence Plan 1, which was a counterstrike by Canadian forces in the event of hostilities with the US.

If you want to read some interesting (AKA tin foil hat) theories, look up Floyd Rudmin's Bordering on Aggression, who has argued in the past that the US Army base at Fort Drum, NY is there in the event of a Canadian civil war/ break. As ludicrous as it sounds, it was a fascinating read.

$1:

“Brown did not take the problem of defending Canada lightly. The long border with the United States could not be manned everywhere, while the vulnerability of the Dominion’s population centres and transportation corridors was obvious. It was clear that British help was essential to offset the huge manpower advantage enjoyed by the Americans. The strategic problem, therefore, was how to gain time to allow the British to react before it was too late. ... Persuaded that a purely defensive strategy was doomed to failure, he preferred to throw the enemy off balance using surprise and shock action. ‘Flying columns’ of Militia battalions would be thrown across the border in a controlled penetration to a depth of a few hundred miles so that if all went well, and the US army was caught unprepared, the Canadian force would have a chance to prepare ground of its own choosing for a fighting withdrawal. By the time it got pushed back to the border British operations should be underway... [and eventually] a reasonable peace settlement was likely to follow.”



The documents relating to DS No. 1 are found in Buster’s papers in the Queen’s University Archives.



Included are background notes on Canadian Armed Forces history, the defence of Canada and its problems. Chapter 1 is an introduction with security rating and distribution; plans of mobilization, training and operations of war; problems such as the vulnerability of the prairies and Winnipeg; importance of central Canada etc. Chapter 2 is an outline of the organization and proposed distribution of the army (12 divisions) as well as the organization of the ‘flying columns’. Chapter 3 elaborates on Chapter 2 by identifying units to be involved up to Brigades and Divisions and their commanders and staffs; lays out plans for recruiting and training as well as their composition and organization; details the uses and the special training of the flying columns; describes channels of communication for mobilization, railways, remounts etc; suggests creating a signals communication board; insists on registration of vehicles and horses; outlines the importance of mobile machine gun units and mechanized infantry. Chapters 4 and 5 are missing, but they dealt with American Army strength and distribution; with the targets for the flying columns (Spokane, Seattle, Portland, Great Falls, and Butte in the West; Minneapolis and St. Paul in the Midwest; Albany and Maine in the East), method of advance etc. Chapter 6 concerns strategy, for example the importance of Edmonton, Quebec and Halifax as fall back centres. If the initial actions of the Canadian army are unsuccessful the forces should retire to those three strategic centres. It also appraises the probable strength of the opposing forces, estimates of the length of time to mobilize the National Guard (up to 2 months) and the time for the regular army to reach the target areas or the border. …



Following completion of the document, Buster and his colleagues conducted several reconnaissances of the northern States in civilian clothes; characterized as ‘spies’ by Eayrs and Taylor. The first reconnaissance included Buster, the Director of Signals and the three GSO 1s of MDs No.3, 4 and 5

http://members.shaw.ca/j.buster.brown/

[herbie]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Actually, if you think about it, the story says a lot about the state of US espionage technology when it is so easily accepted that a transmitter can be small enough to place inside a coin.

What did they want us to do? Goddam Yanks won't touch a dollar coin to save their life!
But we fooled 'em with the red spot on the quarters. Distracted them from the pennies... ya those inconspicous little pennies that are all deactivated now you can only tell because a magnet will pick them up and no other pennies.... buah hah hah!

[commanderkai]

bootlegga bootlegga:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

In think the pentagon is professionally paranoid.

I think there are sections to the Pentagon devoted to this. Understandable, but I'm just saying.

I remember reading the US plan to invade and knock out Canada from...I think the 1930s, if, IIRC, Great Britain went to war against the United States for whatever reason, and Canada sided with the UK over the US. It was an interesting read, and it makes you wonder what "US Invasion Plan" The UK has in some file room.

That was War Plan Red, and it was shelved a few years after we shelved Defence Plan 1, which was a counterstrike by Canadian forces in the event of hostilities with the US.

If you want to read some interesting (AKA tin foil hat) theories, look up Floyd Rudmin's Bordering on Aggression, who has argued in the past that the US Army base at Fort Drum, NY is there in the event of a Canadian civil war/ breakdown of society. As ludicrous as it sounds, it was a fascinating read.

http://www.amazon.com/Bordering-Aggress ... 0921842090

It'd be interesting if Defense Plan 1 was online somewhere for reading.

[bootlegga]

commanderkai commanderkai:

bootlegga bootlegga:

commanderkai commanderkai:

I think there are sections to the Pentagon devoted to this. Understandable, but I'm just saying.

I remember reading the US plan to invade and knock out Canada from...I think the 1930s, if, IIRC, Great Britain went to war against the United States for whatever reason, and Canada sided with the UK over the US. It was an interesting read, and it makes you wonder what "US Invasion Plan" The UK has in some file room.

That was War Plan Red, and it was shelved a few years after we shelved Defence Plan 1, which was a counterstrike by Canadian forces in the event of hostilities with the US.

If you want to read some interesting (AKA tin foil hat) theories, look up Floyd Rudmin's Bordering on Aggression, who has argued in the past that the US Army base at Fort Drum, NY is there in the event of a Canadian civil war/ breakdown of society. As ludicrous as it sounds, it was a fascinating read.

http://www.amazon.com/Bordering-Aggress ... 0921842090

It'd be interesting if Defense Plan 1 was online somewhere for reading.

There may be one online in a university database somewhere, but as most copies were destroyed in the 1930s, it's very hard to find. While I was in university, one of the professors had found a copy in an archive somewhere and photocopied the entire thing. It was an amazing read.

One of the most interesting things I remember was that Brown questioned the loyalty of Albertans in general, which at the time had recent American immigrants as almost 50% of its population.