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[EyeBrock]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Well, I apologize that my ideas for my personal future aren't dying in some war. I'm sorry I have a different idea of what my time and work will be used for.

And I apologize that kids these days just can't see the damn point in wars.

I haven't got a clue what's going through their crazy heads.

But hating the US is something you would rather espouse.

I get it. Your idea of patriotism is wrapped in the hatred of our closest allies.

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[Donny_Brasco]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

On the other hand there are plenty of white guys who do. Let's accept that and stop the bullshit and excuses.

Clarify: White RURAL guys.

Let’s stop pretending that white urban guys are represented in the armed forces as well as white rural folk.

The article clearly states that they are not.

There are alot of barriers for non-whites joining the forces. The fact that you trumpet white folks and casually omit the fact that urban folk are just as unlikely to join the forces is one example of the subtle racism that prevents recruitment and retention if the minorities.

Why would I join the army to listen to you tell me how under-represented us natives are?? No thanks. My grandfather fought and was wounded beside your grandfathers in WW2 and what thanks did he get? It was not the same thanks as the white guys got.

Lots of barriers. You have to change your own attitudes before more non-white Canadians will feel like they fit into the Canadian forces.

Stereotyping and blaming us is not going to make many of us want to put up with the bullshit of living and working beside you.

[Bacardi4206]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

On the other hand there are plenty of white guys who do. Let's accept that and stop the bullshit and excuses.

Clarify: White RURAL guys.

Let’s stop pretending that white urban guys are represented in the armed forces as well as white rural folk.

The article clearly states that they are not.

There are alot of barriers for non-whites joining the forces. The fact that you trumpet white folks and casually omit the fact that urban folk are just as unlikely to join the forces is one example of the subtle racism that prevents recruitment and retention if the minorities.

Why would I join the army to listen to you tell me how under-represented us natives are?? No thanks. My grandfather fought and was wounded beside your grandfathers in WW2 and what thanks did he get? It was not the same thanks as the white guys got.

Lots of barriers. You have to change your own attitudes before more non-white Canadians will feel like they fit into the Canadian forces.

Stereotyping and blaming us is not going to make many of us want to put up with the bullshit of living and working beside you.

What proof do you got that your grandfather diddn't get the same thanks the white soldiers got in WW2? My guess is that you don't have any because you are the typical minority that pulls out the racism card as a excuse.

Many people from many background joins the military and all in all. Race doesn't mean shit. I'll bet that every now and again you will find some percentage of the military that may bag on some people however to go as far as not giving respect to soldiers who faught in wars or joined up because of there skin color or heritage? That's the dumbest lie I have ever heard. Maybe that happened in the 1920's.

The countless people of multiple heritages and race have been joining the forces for decades. As of recently I haven't heard a single one complain about any racism issues in the forces. They joined like any other white guy for the same reasons. They trained with each other and fought with each other.

Also BTW, you are also stereotyping. The whole white man is the man and is a racist that likes to keep minorities down just to show them who's boss or w/e the excuse is is quite pathetic and over used lately. Too many people using that as a excuse as to why they are uneducated, poor or why there youth join gangs or deal/use drugs.

[BeaverFever]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

What proof do you got that your grandfather diddn't get the same thanks the white soldiers got in WW2? My guess is that you don't have any because you are the typical minority that pulls out the racism card as a excuse.

Well, for starters, Status Indians were not allowed to vote in Canada until 1960, so whose "freedom" were they really fighting for at the time?


And then there were issues with veterans benefits after the war:

Inequalities became commonplace as First Nations veterans did not receive equal access to benefits information, equal dependents allowance benefits and were greatly disadvantaged by land compensation outlined in the Veterans' Land Act. While non-Aboriginal veterans were promised $6,000 and the prospect of purchasing land through the Government of Canada, First Nations veterans were promised only a maximum of $2,320, and they were more or less confined to farming on reserve lands, with no real ownership.

In addition, First Nations veterans faced hardships in securing other benefits, such as a re-establishment credit, vocational training benefits or university education benefits. During the war, Indian agents often withheld full dependents allowances from the spouses of enlisted Aboriginal soldiers because it was believed that "Indian women did not know how to spend money correctly."

I think the main points have already been identified in this thread:

1) Military service is less attractive and less relevant to people white and non-white alike, who live in large urban areas where there is generally ample opportunity for goodaying jobs and a wide-spread attachment to the urban lifestyle.

2) Immigrants are less likely to view war and military service as 'glorious' or 'noble' because they come from countries where war is not something you watch on the news from the comfort of your living room, and then see re-enacted by beautiful movie stars as it is for North Americans. For them, it is something they have actually experienced first-hand, having witnessed the brutality, death and suffering it inflicts on innocent civilians. To them, war means watching your family get gang-raped and hacked up with machetes, or watching your family suffer from disease and starvation in a refugee camp. Furthermore, where they come from, soldiers and police officers are not heroes but brutal, corrupt and poorly paid enforcers of oppression and cruelty. They come here with dreams that their children will grow up to be doctors and engineers, not soliders.

[Donny_Brasco]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

What proof do you got that your grandfather diddn't get the same thanks the white soldiers got in WW2? My guess is that you don't have any because you are the typical minority that pulls out the racism card as a excuse.

Are you fucking serious?

I think you might be the only one here that does not know about this. Look it up. Its a fucking pathetic legacy and it is even more pathetic that you would be ignorant enough to ask me for proof.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

I rarely, if ever agree with much of what Donny says, but in this case, he is quite correct, and history does back up his claim.

[Donny_Brasco]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I rarely, if ever agree with much of what Donny says, but in this case, he is quite correct, and history does back up his claim.

Thanks, isn;t it nice to be correct for a change?

[martin14]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I rarely, if ever agree with much of what Donny says, but in this case, he is quite correct, and history does back up his claim.

Thanks, isn;t it nice to be correct for a change?

Hell just called , they need more coal.

Donny being right for once almost did it in.



If Donny ever changes his personality, which keeps its
abrasion, hate and racism at all times....


I'll be looking
for the Four Horsemen.

[Newfy]

I find it interesting that it is like this in Canada which is known for being a multi-cultural society and the majority of the population are very proud of it. In the UK however, although becoming ever more increasingly multi-cultural, we are seen as still having alot of issues with racism. Immigrants are not allowed to join the British Armed Forces unless they come from a Commonwealth Country. We have Fijians, Ghurkas, Jamaicans, the list goes on. Although historically the British Army is known for discrimination against these minorities especially in cases such as the Ghurkas, today things are alot better and on ops it is very noticeable.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I rarely, if ever agree with much of what Donny says, but in this case, he is quite correct, and history does back up his claim.

Thanks, isn;t it nice to be correct for a change?

Ya know, those of you that THINK you know everything, are really annoying to those of us that actually DO know everything

[Gunnair]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

On the other hand there are plenty of white guys who do. Let's accept that and stop the bullshit and excuses.

Clarify: White RURAL guys.

Let’s stop pretending that white urban guys are represented in the armed forces as well as white rural folk.

The article clearly states that they are not.

There are alot of barriers for non-whites joining the forces. The fact that you trumpet white folks and casually omit the fact that urban folk are just as unlikely to join the forces is one example of the subtle racism that prevents recruitment and retention if the minorities.

Why would I join the army to listen to you tell me how under-represented us natives are?? No thanks. My grandfather fought and was wounded beside your grandfathers in WW2 and what thanks did he get? It was not the same thanks as the white guys got.

Lots of barriers. You have to change your own attitudes before more non-white Canadians will feel like they fit into the Canadian forces.

Stereotyping and blaming us is not going to make many of us want to put up with the bullshit of living and working beside you.

Supposed barriers are a fine excuse for your personal cowardice to serve.

Next.

[Brenda]

Just out of curiosity... From what I gather, you Gunnair, and you EB, basicly expect all men to serve, right? Even if it was just for basic training to see if you are fit to serve, they should, right?

What about women? Do you expect all women to serve (or at least do the basic training) too?

[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

Just out of curiosity... From what I gather, you Gunnair, and you EB, basicly expect all men to serve, right? Even if it was just for basic training to see if you are fit to serve, they should, right?

What about women? Do you expect all women to serve (or at least do the basic training) too?

I don't expect all to serve - the military is not for everyone. That being said, I think it would be great. Do basic and carry on after that - join or don't. Men and woman, gay and straight white and not. Good experience.

Everyone should have a taste of what they expect their military to go out and do.