[OnTheIce]

itsanalias itsanalias:

ridenrain ridenrain:

How much did the last government spend? Where's the perspective?

My God man, what difference does that make. Waste is waste no matter which government or party is inebriated on abusing it

Congratulations on having written the singular response to a topic that was enough to make me sign up to respond to it.

You've lured me in.

While some may consider it a waste, these expenses, like they are with all corporations and government are inevitable.

Our politicians aren't going out for huge events drinking Fanta and throwing back a few Big Macs.

All expenses should be scrutinized, non-government related expenses, even questionable ones should be refused....but to think that these expenses won't happen, we're just kidding ourselves. People eat and drink at social gatherings.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

All expenses should be scrutinized, non-government related expenses, even questionable ones should be refused....but to think that these expenses won't happen, we're just kidding ourselves. People eat and drink at social gatherings.

If yer at a social gathering, drink on yer own damn dime then. If yer working, then work.

[poquas]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Sorry about the rant RR, this just pisses me off to no end. There's no spin to this and no amount of spin that's going to change the fact that this is just business as usual at the federal and I'm quite sure, provincial levels of gov't.

That's an impressive pile of objectivity! You're going to be a target now.


It doesn't matter which govenment does it, hides it, or tries to excuse it. It's wrong. It's the govenment in power at the time it becomes public that has to wear it AND do something about it.

[Akhenaten]

$1:

It doesn't matter which govenment does it, hides it, or tries to excuse it. It's wrong. It's the govenment in power at the time it becomes public that has to wear it AND do something about it.

No what does matter is when is it made a point of contention? When your party is in or when the other party is in?

You're right it shouldn't make a difference which party, which leads us to ask, why isn't that mentioned in the article and why do we get the article now instead of when the "other" party was doing it?

[poquas]

itsanalias itsanalias:

A welcoming insult.
Nice to have met your acquaintance mr ridenrain.

Do you always greet people with an insult or should I feel privileged.

OMG! Whatever you do, don't say you're a former Conservative. He'll hunt you down!

[kenmore]

ridenrain ridenrain:

How much did the last government spend? Where's the perspective?

That would be irrelevant, would it not? It is the government in power that should be accountable not governments of the past. You are searching for an excuse by finger pointing to previous governments to try and justify the inept tory government in power now. Expenditures of the past have nothing to do with current accountability, especially by a government who got elected promising a different approach.. Plus ça change plus c'est la même chose eh?

[Akhenaten]

kenmore kenmore:

ridenrain ridenrain:

How much did the last government spend? Where's the perspective?

That would be irrelevant, would it not? It is the government in power that should be accountable not governments of the past. You are searching for an excuse by finger pointing to previous governments to try and justify the inept tory government in power now. Expenditures of the past have nothing to do with current accountability, especially by a government who got elected promising a different approach.. Plus ça change plus c'est la même chose eh?

Translation: accountability is only important when it's the conservatives. Frankly you're wrong. Relativity has everything to do with it and to do that all you can do is compare to former Governments. If there was no 'outrage' by you or anyone when the Liberals wasted $1000000, then why should there be 'outrage' if the CPC wastes $100000?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

poquas poquas:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Sorry about the rant RR, this just pisses me off to no end. There's no spin to this and no amount of spin that's going to change the fact that this is just business as usual at the federal and I'm quite sure, provincial levels of gov't.

That's an impressive pile of objectivity! You're going to be a target now.


It doesn't matter which govenment does it, hides it, or tries to excuse it. It's wrong. It's the govenment in power at the time it becomes public that has to wear it AND do something about it.

It's objectivity to the point of cynicism. Ever since I started paying attention to Canadian politics I have been singularily unimpressed.
And considering I'm anti-handgun, my view towards Ottawa and Queen's Park is becoming increasingly anarchistic. Who you vote for isn't going to change a damn thing. It's still the same old crooks peddling the same tired merchandise.
And as long as they refuse to acknowledge the problem with our parliamentary and electoral system and continue to abuse it for their personal gain, NONE of them will ever see my vote.

[poquas]

itsanalias itsanalias:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

$1:

It doesn't matter which govenment does it, hides it, or tries to excuse it. It's wrong. It's the govenment in power at the time it becomes public that has to wear it AND do something about it.

No what does matter is when is it made a point of contention? When your party is in or when the other party is in?

You're right it shouldn't make a difference which party, which leads us to ask, why isn't that mentioned in the article and why do we get the article now instead of when the "other" party was doing it?

Why after having the longest serving minority in Canadian history does it make any difference?

What part of waste, no matter what political party you represent, are some of you having difficulties comprehending.

Are you really trying to justify the excuse that 'our waste is better than their waste'?

Tell me that you're not.

Oh yes he is.

It's part of a plan of a rather small vocal group here where no matter what the Cons do( especially if it's exactly the same things the Libs do) is better.

[OnTheIce]

itsanalias itsanalias:

A fair enough statement and I have no issue with food and beverage expenses at social gatherings. However, all alcoholic beverages shouldn't be allowed as government related expenses just as I believe they shouldn't be allowed as an acceptable expense to private business tax claims.

Would you complain had the expense been for an expensive mineral water?

When we have people spending $5-$10 on an alcoholic beverage while some at the gathering are spending $3+ for bottled water and $10+ for a mineral water.

Is it unacceptable to spend $10 on a scotch and acceptable to spend $10 on a mineral water?

[Akhenaten]

itsanalias itsanalias:

What part of waste, no matter what political party you represent, are some of you having difficulties comprehending.

Are you really trying to justify the excuse that 'our waste is better than their waste'?

Tell me that you're not.

I'm not but the story is definatly saying that and so are the 'anti-Harpers'.

Are you under the impression this story is prezented because it's "shocking" or because 'genuine debate needs to be generated"? Tell me you're not that naive.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

itsanalias itsanalias:

A fair enough statement and I have no issue with food and beverage expenses at social gatherings. However, all alcoholic beverages shouldn't be allowed as government related expenses just as I believe they shouldn't be allowed as an acceptable expense to private business tax claims.

Would you complain had the expense been for an expensive mineral water?

When we have people spending $5-$10 on an alcoholic beverage while some at the gathering are spending $3+ for bottled water and $10+ for a mineral water.

Is it unacceptable to spend $10 on a scotch and acceptable to spend $10 on a mineral water?

I dunno. Which is more acceptable, drinking scotch whilst at work or drinking bottled water? And if these were "social gatherings" then like I said, spend yer own damn dime. I don't give a shit what you drink.

[Akhenaten]

poquas poquas:

itsanalias itsanalias:

Tell me that you're not.

Oh yes he is.

It's part of a plan of a rather small vocal group here where no matter what the Cons do( especially if it's exactly the same things the Libs do) is better.

No I'm not. I'm pointing out what any idiot should know (so it's no surprise to me that it eludes you) : the point of the story itself is not to bring attention to the waste but to bring attention to the CPC waste. The same people lamblasting it now will not do the same when the same story arises fromt he Liberals.

Either quit pretending you don't know that Poquas, or quit pretending you're smart, because you can't be both in this case.

Further, why are you attacking me? Especailly as a "con"? I am not one of your 'small vocal group' and I'm not ridenrain either so kindly take your pretentious bullshit attitude and go f*ck youself.

[Akhenaten]

You obviously don't get my post. Try reading it again....then maybe again after that.

$1:

Why should this one not be permitted and presented for debate?

Not saying it shouldn't but I question the sincerity of the 'debate' in question.

$1:

I can fully recall plenty of stories including several auditors reports of Liberal waste being presented in the media

Ok and....? So why does that make CPC evil?

[poquas]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

No I'm not. I'm pointing out what any idiot should know (so it's no surprise to me that it eludes you) : the point of the story itself is not to bring attention to the waste but to bring attention to the CPC waste. The same people lamblasting it now will not do the same when the same story arises fromt he Liberals.

Either quit pretending you don't know that Poquas, or quit pretending you're smart, because you can't be both in this case.

Further, why are you attacking me? Especailly as a "con"? I am not one of your 'small vocal group' and I'm not ridenrain either so kindly take your pretentious bullshit attitude and go f*ck youself.

Sure. Your avatar says it all!