[Lemmy]

QBall QBall:

Does anyone have a link to this report? I can't find it and I'm curious how they determined that harmonization would increase inflation.

Because things that were once not taxed will be. Therefore, its price will rise. StatsCan's calculation of prices includes tax.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Just as in the toronto gun thread its perfectly on-topic to compare shootings and the failure of not controlling guns which YOU DID report.

My focus of the TORONTO gun ban thread was to focus on TORONTO gun crimes. You post things on US gun crimes or your flawed analogy of guns=drugs so I reported you.
I'm posting things directly from your article so I challenge you to report it.

DerbyX DerbyX:

Turnabout is fair play especially when the mods told me to specifically report you if you went off topic on a Lib bashing tangent during a thread about the cons (as you do so often)

This is very informative but not exactly shocking news. Can I get a mod to verify or comment on this? I'm happy as hell that they step in when nessesary but I definately don't like being the center of their attention.

DerbyX DerbyX:

This thread is about Harper's governments support of the HST not the Libs. That is being covered in another thread but you want to be sure that any complaint against the cons gets turned around to the Libs.

Its also clear that even though Harper has been saying "no taxes to eliminate the deficit" you guys suddenly jumped all over Iggy when he said it. No contradiction there eh.

If the Libs ALSO support the HST, how can you fault them?
Can you prove that the HST will not be good in the long term?

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's clear that the Liberal party wants to beat up the Conservatives on the HST but also reserves the "right" to support it when they want to. It's also clear that solid Liberal supporters see no contradiction with this.

Oh, you mean like how YOU wanted to beat up on the Liberals about this?

canadian-politics-f17/ontario-hst-is-ok-by-iggy-t83723.html

Do you see the contradiction?

[ridenrain]

You didn't answer the question..

Is the HST good?
Is the HST bad?

.. or does it depend who's doing the talking?

[Proculation]

I don't see how this can be a good thing.

More concentration of the taxation to the federal level (while it should be at the provincial level).
More taxation to p&s subject to only one tax. Thus, inflation like Lemmy said.
Loss of taxation power at the provincial level.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You didn't answer the question..

Is the HST good?
Is the HST bad?

.. or does it depend who's doing the talking?

You haven't either...

But based on the info I heard while I was in BC last month, I'd probably say it isn't. If it was a revenue neutral tax, then I could see it, but as it stands people will pay more in consumption taxes with harmonization.

My point is and always was that everyone at the federal level seems to think it's a good thing, while you've only posted about it for simple partisan purposes. You tried to use it to bash the Libs with only to have it backfire on you.

[kenmore]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You didn't answer the question..

Is the HST good?
Is the HST bad?

.. or does it depend who's doing the talking?

Its a win win situation,,the feds get a little off the top.. so the torys (flawherty) sold the idea to the provincial governments knowing full well that it would be unpopular.. so McGuinty looks bad for awhile.. big deal

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Off-topic, just like the Toronto gun ban thread. This thread is about Flaherty and Harpers support of the HST not the Libs. Take it elsewhere if you want to whine about the Liberals.

I cannot believe you actually have the nerve to ask someone not to do what you always do. Take your own advice.


As for the HST, it's a shitty idea in my books and even shittier that these guys all support it.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

kenmore kenmore:

Its a win win situation,,the feds get a little off the top.. so the torys (flawherty) sold the idea to the provincial governments knowing full well that it would be unpopular.. so McGuinty looks bad for awhile.. big deal

HERE's why McGoofy looks bad Kenmore:


The intended purpose is to blend the GST and the PST into one tax. This will cut down the paperwork burden for
Ontario businesses and, in theory, lessen staff by merging both departments. This could be a noble attempt to cut costs.

There is just one problem.

Rather than just blending the products and services that now charge both taxes, the provincial government has decided that it will apply this new tax to almost all goods and services that you do not pay PST on now!

We are about to become the victim of one of the largest (and sneakiest!) tax hikes in our history. How will this affect you? Let's start with just a few things that are to be charged the extra 8% to see how it will affect you and your family:

Gasoline
Home heating fuel
Water
Hydro
Used cars
Government and city services
Any service you now use for your home or business (such as repairs, professional services of any kind, construction materials etc.)
.....and these are just a few.

Almost everything currently without PST in your life except children's clothing, prescriptions, diapers, and feminine hygiene products will now cost you 8% more.

Oh, and here is a kicker. The fuel tax will slide with the increasing cost of that fuel.

But don't worry people ... we have elected a compassionate and magnanimous crew down at Queen's Park. They've announced that over a two year period, you'll be receiving three rebate cheques that will total $1,000 as a hand up from your elected officials to help offset the costs you "might" incur due to the sales tax harmonization.
What, pray tell, might those extra costs that you "might" incur be on? That KFC Wrapper you pick up for lunch; your morning cup of coffee at Timmy's; that newspaper you read; that vet bill you willingly pay for your beloved pet; your prescription drugs; the gas you put in your car; the oil or gas you have delivered to your home to keep you and your family warm; etc. etc.
$166 a year extra to drink coffee and eat snacks at work;
$156 a year extra to drive your car;
$72 a year extra to heat your home;
$55 a year extra to get your hair cut, go out and see a movie and send your clothes to the cleaners;

These are but a few that I've worked out as a starting point. As you can see, in year 1, we're already at almost $450 and that's an incredibly conservative estimate (remember the bribe the Liberals are giving us, that $1,000 rebate cheque spread over two years). As I said, this is only just a starting point and I've used very conservative figures like $20 a month for haircuts, $20 a month for dry cleaning and $10 a month for movies. And never mind how much this will distort the price of houses.
And the cruellest joke of all? That's our July 1st birthday present from Dalton McAsswipe.

[Proculation]

A better thing would be to go like Quebec: the provincial government gathers all the taxes and send the federal his share (the PST). That way, we preserve the two taxes and have only one paperwork for the businesses.

[poquas]

Here in BC the Government claims the business's are going to save so much money that prices will actually come down.

Then they tell us it's going to be revenue neutral.

Then we hear it's only going to cause a .7% increase in costs.

I'm hoping the next thing we hear is that we can stand up now cuz this is really starting to hurt!


HST=BAD!

[saturn_656]

kenmore kenmore:

so McGuinty looks bad for awhile.. big deal

Where do you live? Neptune orbit?

McGuinty has looked bad since day one!

Can't seem to stop screwing up.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

My focus of the TORONTO gun ban thread was to focus on TORONTO gun crimes. You post things on US gun crimes or your flawed analogy of guns=drugs so I reported you.
I'm posting things directly from your article so I challenge you to report it.

NO. Your focus is slandering Toronto and attempting to show that gun crimes still happen despite the gun ban (as you see it anyway). I post shootings that could have been prevented had a gun ban been in place as a counter point. You just want to post shootings in Toronto without anybody being allowed to respond and thats not going to happen. Its perfectly on topic far more then you turning every thread about Harper into a bitch about the Liberals affair.

ridenrain ridenrain:

This is very informative but not exactly shocking news. Can I get a mod to verify or comment on this? I'm happy as hell that they step in when nessesary but I definately don't like being the center of their attention.

Feel free to inquire assuming you haven't already been contacted. They'll tell you the same thing they told me.

ridenrain ridenrain:

If the Libs ALSO support the HST, how can you fault them?
Can you prove that the HST will not be good in the long term?

I most certainly can fault them when cons like you are the ones who jumped down Iggy's throat when it was convenient only to have it bite you in the ass when you found out that Harper is doing the very same thing. You aren't going to comment about the CPC instead you will simply take whatever position the Liberals hold and attack that and hope nobody asks any questions about what harper will do.

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Off-topic, just like the Toronto gun ban thread. This thread is about Flaherty and Harpers support of the HST not the Libs. Take it elsewhere if you want to whine about the Liberals.

I cannot believe you actually have the nerve to ask someone not to do what you always do. Take your own advice.


As for the HST, it's a shitty idea in my books and even shittier that these guys all support it.

Unfortunately for you, you don't have the full story. Riden went crying to the mods about my posting US gun murders in the T.O. gun ban thread and I'm just making sure he gets the same treatment in all the political threads where regardless of subject he simply attacks the Libs.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You didn't answer the question..

Is the HST good?
Is the HST bad?

.. or does it depend who's doing the talking?

I guess there's no point in expecting you to answer as we both know you only care who's talking, not the question itself (like usual).