[PublicAnimalNo9]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The way I see it, if the Capt. was a true bastard, he would have left him to suffer and die a prolonged, misery filled death. .

That's EXACTLY what I would have done, they had to get the fuck out of there before the rest of the Hawji's showed up, not wait around and hold his filthy fucking hand while he expired.

Yep, it's real easy to draw specious conclusions when one is in a nice, safe, antiseptic environment a world away from that ambush. (A world away being as little as even 1 mile when yer a combat soldier).
I hope common sense prevails and the realities of the situation come to the fore-front. This was not a crime.

[PENATRATOR]

Being in a comfy enviroment has nothing to do with it dude, don't give me that shit. Ever been in an ambush? Ever walked those same trails and driven those roads? I have as have SEVERAL other guys on here, Newsflash, the Hawjis have an uncanny ability of appearing all over the place all the time, you don't fucking dawdle outside the wire, time to fucking go

[PublicAnimalNo9]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Being in a comfy enviroment has nothing to do with it dude, don't give me that shit. Ever been in an ambush? Ever walked those same trails and driven those roads? I have as have SEVERAL other guys on here, Newsflash, the Hawjis have an uncanny ability of appearing all over the place all the time, you don't fucking dawdle outside the wire, time to fucking go

I wasn't referring to the soldiers PEN lol I was referring to the armchair judge and juries over here being in comfy environments and drawing conclusions.

[PENATRATOR]

Gotcha

[Canadian_Mind]

All sorts of fucked up. You know the guy is going to jail, whether his intentions were heinous or not. Very depressing.

[Zipperfish]

Presumably he knew the rules--no summary executions. He did the crime, he can do the time.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Presumably he knew the rules--no summary executions. He did the crime, he can do the time.

Again, no one who was there has contradicted his claim about the severity of the guys wounds.
Speeding a dead man on his way is not a summary execution.

[Zipperfish]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Presumably he knew the rules--no summary executions. He did the crime, he can do the time.

Again, no one who was there has contradicted his claim about the severity of the guys wounds.
Speeding a dead man on his way is not a summary execution.

If there's allowance for summary euthaniasia, then they should let him go.

[DerbyX]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Presumably he knew the rules--no summary executions. He did the crime, he can do the time.

Again, no one who was there has contradicted his claim about the severity of the guys wounds.
Speeding a dead man on his way is not a summary execution.

Actually I think it is. First off the man was not qualified to make that determination. The article says "field treatment". I imagine even some of our own wounded needed better then field treatment to survive.

Second, when you are trying to win "hearts and minds" this only works against you regardless of motives. Those we want to help won't condone it.

Third, it serves to turn our own people against the war.

Fourth, if this had been a police officer shooting a suspect gravely wounded in a bank robbery shootout what do you think would happen?

Fifth, the possibility that this mans life will be destroyed over this is just awful. He should have just followed the rules and no fault to himself.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Yeah just like the Toweliban follow the rules by using IEDs (could'a SWORN there was a moratorium and ban on landmines) and refusing to try and separate themselves in appearance from the average Afghani. Now that's my personal feelings out of the way.

First off. The man was just involved in ambush with an unknown number of unfriendlies headed their way. Not a good position to be in to pratice field medicine on the enemy.

Secondly, you are presuming to speak to for the average Afghani. The man shot was Taliban. I don't think too many Afghanis are gonna lose any sleep over it, especially if it's an isolated incident.
Mind you I'm just as guilty as you now for presuming how the average Afghani will feel

Third, people need to grow the fuck up and realize this happens. It happened in WW1, it happened in WW2, it happened in Korea and it'll keep happening.

4th, if this had been a police officer and gravely wounded bank robber, the cop wouldn't be worryin' about a few dozen to a hundred or so of his buddies heading that way and loaded for bear.

5th, again, no one has the right to judge his actions except other combat soldiers. Huggy feelings and rules get you killed when the other side don't believe in either.

[DerbyX]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yeah just like the Toweliban follow the rules by using IEDs (could'a SWORN there was a moratorium and ban on landmines) and refusing to try and separate themselves in appearance from the average Afghani. Now that's my personal feelings out of the way.

We aren't them. Any attempt to claim that because the do it we can to just means we are as bad as them.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

First off. The man was just involved in ambush with an unknown number of unfriendlies headed their way. Not a good position to be in to pratice field medicine on the enemy.

We prosecuted enemy soldiers for doing just what this soldier did. In fact we prosecuted enemy soldiers for doing what we now endorse but thats another story. So far the story is that this was an after action execution on a wounded soldier who was disarmed and medically assessed. I have no doubt had this been a story about what they did to our guys the response would have been very different.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Secondly, you are presuming to speak to for the average Afghani. The man shot was Taliban. I don't think too many Afghanis are gonna lose any sleep over it, especially if it's an isolated incident.
Mind you I'm just as guilty as you now for presuming how the average Afghani will feel

I don't think so. These are the people that have openly said they want the Taliban to play some part in their future and have chanted "death to Canada"

I have no doubt that anything we do can't be used against us somehow.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Third, people need to grow the fuck up and realize this happens. It happened in WW1, it happened in WW2, it happened in Korea and it'll keep happening.

Hence we don't get to decide to invade a country on the pretense of helping them without their permission then tell them to suck it up when we kill them doing it.

Their country, their rules and when they chant "death to Canada" because we kill them by accident then they are right regardless of circumstances.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

4th, if this had been a police officer and gravely wounded bank robber, the cop wouldn't be worryin' about a few dozen to a hundred or so of his buddies heading that way and loaded for bear.

Again, according to the facts presented this was an execution of a wounded prisoner who presented no threat and no immediate threat existed. If he is claiming a humanitarian act then he can't claim self defense can he.

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

5th, again, no one has the right to judge his actions except other combat soldiers. Huggy feelings and rules get you killed when the other side don't believe in either.

Yes we do. If you truly think that then we have no right to judge muslim actions and only fellow muslims may do that.

Do you agree with that?

[PluggyRug]

[rant]This is a fucked up charge. An excellent example of how to destroy moral.

All you defenders of the charge need to STFU.

[/rant]

[DerbyX]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

[rant]This is a fucked up charge. An excellent example of how to destroy moral.

All you defenders of the charge need to STFU.

[/rant]

Well Pluggy, what message does that send. I don't think this soldier deserves to have his life and career destroyed but the attitude that "Inter arma enim silent leges" just makes us no better then them.

[Brenda]

$1:

just makes us no better then them

You know, we aren't... "we" are all fighting for a cause. They for theirs, "we" for ours, against theirs.
But it makes us all no better than eachother...

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

just makes us no better then them

You know, we aren't... "we" are all fighting for a cause. They for theirs, "we" for ours, against theirs.
But it makes us all no better than eachother...

Once again in english please.