[martin14]

Derby, stay on topic.

The US does not have the death penalty for drug possession.

[ridenrain]

He can't. If he stays on topic, he runs out of wiggle room and then loses because he can't get the last post in.

[DerbyX]

martin14 martin14:

Derby, stay on topic.

The US does not have the death penalty for drug possession.

Thats right they don't. They have harsher penalties for drug possession/trafficking then Canada and they have the death penalty for lots of things we don't.

So what? The point is that if we as a society can bitch about them for the laws and punishments they have that we find wrong then it goes both ways.

Canada as a nation did away with the death penalty because we decided it was cruel and barbaric. The US does not. By that definition then the US can be considered cruel and barbaric by comparison.

BTW, the fact that Malaysia has very harsh laws over drug possession/trafficking isn't the issue. Their right to do so is.

Seems to me its something that they as a society will decide upon.

$1:

The Malaysia Bar with 12,500 members also strongly opposes the death sentence. It passed a resolution in March 2006 calling for an end to capital punishment and for all death sentences to be commuted.

"The death penalty is a cruel and extreme form of punishment. Keeping a person on death row waiting indefinitely adds to the cruelty," said Yap.
The majority of Malaysians are also against the death penalty and the cruelty of keeping persons on death row for years and in solitary confinement.

A poll carried out by a local television network last year showed that 64 percent of the viewers who responded were against the death penalty. Most said it was a form of judicial killing and they supported abolition.

I wish them luck in reforming their country.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

He can't. If he stays on topic, he runs out of wiggle room and then loses because he can't get the last post in.

That is on topic. They have the right to decide their own laws and punishments if they want.

If you don't like it then tough. Feel free not to visit.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

they (the USA) have the death penalty for lots of things we don't.

Really? Other than pre-meditated, capital murder, what do we have the death penalty for?

[Proculation]

treason ?

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

they (the USA) have the death penalty for lots of things we don't.

Really? Other than pre-meditated, capital murder, what do we have the death penalty for?

OK, its for the various types of aggravated murder. The point is though that you have it and we don't. Whats barbaric to some isn't to others.

[ridenrain]

lethal injection, poison gas or the electric chair for pre-meditated, capital murder is barbaric yet beating someone on the ass with a cane for drinking a beer is acceptable?
No further questions..

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

lethal injection, poison gas or the electric chair for pre-meditated, capital murder is barbaric yet beating someone on the ass with a cane for drinking a beer is acceptable?
No further questions..

I asked if Canada could consider the US barbaric because we don't have the death penalty even for crimes abhorrent in nature. In fact lots of Americans also find it barbaric and want no part of it.

What punishment would you consider fair? From what I've read she is saying its a just punishment and her father is saying it but what would you think is fair?

Jail?

[Brenda]

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Islamic authorities had insisted that the purpose of the caning was to educate, rather than punish. They say the rattan cane that was to be used on Kartika would be smaller and lighter than the one used for men and she would remain clothed.

The prison official was also expected to use very little force in the caning.

That is different from what I have seen on that video...

[ridenrain]

Considering most Americans and Canadians are dead against religion having a place in justice, I'd say they both would object to caning.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

lethal injection, poison gas or the electric chair for pre-meditated, capital murder is barbaric yet beating someone on the ass with a cane for drinking a beer is acceptable?
No further questions..

I asked if Canada could consider the US barbaric because we don't have the death penalty even for crimes abhorrent in nature. In fact lots of Americans also find it barbaric and want no part of it.

What punishment would you consider fair? From what I've read she is saying its a just punishment and her father is saying it but what would you think is fair?

Jail?

No punishment is fair in this case. It's not a national law in Malaysia, it's a religious tenet. There are non-muslim Malaysians that are quite allowed to drink.
And of course she says it's a just punishment, we've all seen what happens to muslim women that dare to go against the phallo-theocracy of islam.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Considering most Americans and Canadians are dead against religion having a place in justice, I'd say they both would object to caning.

Dodge. What punishment would be suitable?

BTW, although they are using religion as a basis for the restrictions on alcohol I'd say a case could easily be made for secular reasons to ban it.

[DerbyX]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

No punishment is fair in this case. It's not a national law in Malaysia, it's a religious tenet. There are non-muslim Malaysians that are quite allowed to drink.
And of course she says it's a just punishment, we've all seen what happens to muslim women that dare to go against the phallo-theocracy of islam.

Just because they have a dual system of laws in their country doesn't mean its wrong. What if they said "OK. We'll just apply the law to everybody"? Would that be OK?

What if they said they said they were banning alcohol because of its destructive influence on society? Would that be OK?

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Considering most Americans and Canadians are dead against religion having a place in justice, I'd say they both would object to caning.

Dodge. What punishment would be suitable?

BTW, although they are using religion as a basis for the restrictions on alcohol I'd say a case could easily be made for secular reasons to ban it.

A dozen hail Allahs and some cookies for the next Mosque bake sale.
Islam seriously needs to get into the real world.
Religions that keep people by killing them if they leave really don't deserve members.