[Praxius]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

'Fraser then lashed out at the hunting enthusiasts: "The fact of the matter is, in a month from now they're going to be slaughtering thousands of birds and deer and all sorts of other animals and nobody seems to care about that."'

Because they will be doing it legally. And every hunter with half a brain knows, you CANNOT shoot ducks on the water and you can't shoot animals that are at a water source. They will also be eating what they shot, where as this fucking loser was just in it for the sake of killing.

Nice try at deflecting the issue though. He don't feel one bit sorry about what he did, he feels bad he got caught. Period. By deflecting the issue onto genuine hunters, he attempts to justify his actions and therefore attempts to absolve himself of any real wrongdoing. Fucking idiot.
Secondly, those 3 should never, EVER, be allowed to possess a firearm for the rest of their lives.

Agreed, and if they're caught with firearms, law enforcement should shoot on sight.

.... Then laugh about it with each other, post it on YouTube and walk away leaving their bodies where they died.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Now wouldn't that be the ultimate irony lol

[willo]

What a retard. He's just now learning about the power of the internet? Reminds of the line in Animal House: "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

I hope to christ he stays out west.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

willo willo:

What a retard. He's just now learning about the power of the internet? Reminds of the line in Animal House: "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

I hope to christ he stays out west.

[Winnipegger]

You eat what you kill. I do not practice "catch and release". When I go fishing, I eat what I catch for dinner. When I have enough for dinner, I stop fishing. When I was a "tween" (to use the modern term) I was expected to help control gophers on my grandparent's farm whenever we went to visit, but that was controlling wildlife that eats a farmer's crop. For anything else I believe you eat what you hunt; you don't just kill.

My sister's husband was into bow hunting. When a medieval group accepted bids to host a feast, I offered to host one with a "robin hood" theme. I intended to catch a deer using a hand made English long bow, hunting with my brother in-law. Unfortunately I didn't win the bid to host that feast, and my brother in-law didn't want to go bow hunting with me anyway. I still have the hand made English long bow, though.

When I was a kid my father brought home ducks and deer he hunted with my mother's father, his father in-law or my grandfather. It was a "guys day out". I rather liked the taste of wild duck and venison. Still regret that I never did go bow hunting with my brother in-law. Now my sister is divorced so it'll never happen now. He was quite a jerk, but the only one I knew with bow hunting experience. I still go fishing every summer with a friend from high school. It's a great way of enjoying a summer's day.

I have mixed feeling about these red-necks from Toronto hunting in Saskatchewan. Hunting out of season is just plain stupid, and discharging a firearm from a vehicle is even more so. But the fine is 10 times anything that could be justified. Banning them from hunting forever is excessive as well. Taking away their hunting license for the year and requiring them to take a hunter safety course before getting a hunting license next year would be reasonable. Banning them for life is not. The argument that they "allowed edible game to be wasted" also raises mixed feelings. Yes, destroying a natural resource means the next hunter will not have that resource available for him/her. It diminishes the wildlife population without providing any food. However, a fine of $5,000 or $6,000 for the guy who shot from a vehicle is still way out of line. Based on the sheer size of the fine I have to argue against it. I have to point out how many people leave food on their plate in a restaurant, and the quantity of wasted food in the dumpster of every restaurant in every city in this country. If wasting food isn't a crime, why would wasting edible game be? Again, a fine in the hundreds of dollars is justified, but the fine assessed is 10 times what it should be.

[Canadian_Mind]

I think the fine was as high as it was because of all the different offences committed, namely hunting out of season, shooting from a vehicle, and shooting animals that even in season wouldn't be shot (baby chicks, wtf?).

Plus it sets a solid precident, much better then the woman recieved for killing her newborn baby. I'd rather a crook be overpunished then underpunished.

[PluggyRug]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

But the fine is 10 times anything that could be justified. Banning them from hunting forever is excessive as well.

Try telling that to the ducks.

[ridenrain]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

I have mixed feeling about these red-necks from Toronto hunting in Saskatchewan.

Not to pick on you but you need to correct that. They weren't hunters and that wasn't hunting. That was sadistic murder, akin to driving over cats in the road.

For all the flowery talk, hunters and fishers have spent a lot of time and money supporting conservation and the wildlife. The factthat he dosen't know when to shut up is jut further proof of his stupidity and his arogant illusion of entitlement.

[Canadian_Mind]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

But the fine is 10 times anything that could be justified. Banning them from hunting forever is excessive as well.

Try telling that to the ducks.

Quackety quack quack?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Winnipegger, I understand your sentiment but the fact is, at their ages, they showed a blatant disregard not only for hunting laws, but firearm safety.
I think also one of the reasons the punishment was as deservedly harsh as it was is because even during hunting season, you CANNOT shoot ducks on the water.
It was a blatant killing spree. I'm also pretty sure the sound of them laughing it up in the video didn't help their case either.
I have NO sympathy for them. I don't doubt for one second they knew fucking well what they were doing, otherwise, they wouldn't have been so careful to not show their faces in the video.

Now, if we could only get harsher sentences for muderers as C-M alluded to.

[Winnipegger]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

But the fine is 10 times anything that could be justified. Banning them from hunting forever is excessive as well.

Try telling that to the ducks.

I thought you were one of those red-neck Conservatives. Stip everything you can gain from the land and screw the next generation. Who cares about this environmental crap? What happened? Do you claim to now understand this environmental thing? That perhaps we need to sustain wildlife for hunters of the next generation? Oh! How un-Conservative of you!

ridenrain ridenrain:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

I have mixed feeling about these red-necks from Toronto hunting in Saskatchewan.

Not to pick on you but you need to correct that. They weren't hunters and that wasn't hunting. That was sadistic murder, akin to driving over cats in the road.

For all the flowery talk, hunters and fishers have spent a lot of time and money supporting conservation and the wildlife. The factthat he dosen't know when to shut up is jut further proof of his stupidity and his arogant illusion of entitlement.

I do disagree with waste. Adult ducks make a great meal, chicks just don't. Killing a chick just takes away from the breading stock that produces the next generation of adult ducks (tasty meals).

As for your partisan comments, how does anything I said relate to "arogant" or "entitlement"? I used to work as a computer programmer; when I lost my job I didn't accept welfare, instead got a job as a sales clerk at 7-Eleven. During the last federal election I didn't get the nomination, but when the guy who did learned I had sought the nomination and was president of the riding association he hired me as his campaign manager. He promised to hire me as a PC service technician in his computer store after the election, and did. However, I got paid minimum wage for my work during the election, and now get $10 per hour. Don't tell me about "entitlement"! I work damn hard for what I get. Do you have any idea how many years it would take to pay a $5,000 fine at $10 per hour, after paying rent/utilities/food?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Yeah, but I bet you're not stupid enough to do something that would warrant a $5,000 fine now would you?

[ridenrain]

Wow. You feeling persecuted or what.
All I wanted was for you not call what they did as hunting.
The rest was aimed at the trigger happy retards, not you.

[Winnipegger]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Now, if we could only get harsher sentences for muderers as C-M alluded to.

The real problems in Winnipeg are car theft and house break-and-enters. The rate of car theft tripled and house break-and-enters doubled after the cable companies replaced American TV channels from North Dakota with channels from Chicago in the late 1980s. When a university criminology professor provided clear numerical evidence demonstrating this, the politicians got involved. Adult criminals were not affected by TV; the additional crime came from teenagers. But the cable companies initially replaced half the channels with TV from Toledo; ignoring the fact that Toledo had organized crime before Chicago. That didn't help. Eventually the cable companies replaced American TV channels with mostly ones from Minneapolis Minnesota, with a few from North Dakota. Crime did drop after changing TV to Minnesota/North Dakota, but still to this day has not come down to what it was.

Juveniles who are caught committing crimes are let go either immediately or after just a couple days in the remand centre. Even teenagers want harsher sentences for teens who commit crimes. That comes from debates at high schools during the last election. So what do you suggest?

[Canadian_Mind]

Harsher sentances.

Edit - And what the hell does teenage crime rates and television have to do with 25 year sentances for murderers and baby-killers? I was too baffled by the wall of text to respond to that up until now.