[poquas]

ridenrain ridenrain:

What's wrong? Not enough Romanian strippers for ya?

Just for your reccords..

Immigration and Resettlement in Canada
Investing $109 million to modernize Canada’s immigration system by:

•speeding up backlog processing through changes in the coding system and sending teams overseas to process applications on site.
•transferring resources from less busy to busier missions.
Passed legislation making significant changes to the Canadian Immigration Act, including:

•giving the immigration minister power to speed up the immigration process for those immigrants whose skills are most needed.
•providing extra resources to deal with the backlog of 900,000 applicants because, by law, the backlog will have to be processed under the old rules

Here 'll just call bullshit since you're the one who likes to refer to talking points....

Those are talking points.

NOTHING has changed. The government has the ability to change the process and the rules. There has been NO attempt to do so. Hell we have people sitting in churches claiming sanctuary and nothing happens.

Very effective government....... and they want a majority?

[ridenrain]

poquas poquas:

Hell we have people sitting in churches claiming sanctuary and nothing happens.

Are you suggesting we send police into churches to remove and deport these people, or should we just cave in whenever someone puts up a fight?

I know Joe Clark would have made all this better but he's just not around any more.

[OnTheIce]

poquas poquas:

ridenrain ridenrain:

What's wrong? Not enough Romanian strippers for ya?

Just for your reccords..

Immigration and Resettlement in Canada
Investing $109 million to modernize Canada’s immigration system by:

•speeding up backlog processing through changes in the coding system and sending teams overseas to process applications on site.
•transferring resources from less busy to busier missions.
Passed legislation making significant changes to the Canadian Immigration Act, including:

•giving the immigration minister power to speed up the immigration process for those immigrants whose skills are most needed.
•providing extra resources to deal with the backlog of 900,000 applicants because, by law, the backlog will have to be processed under the old rules

Here 'll just call bullshit since you're the one who likes to refer to talking points....

Those are talking points.

NOTHING has changed. The government has the ability to change the process and the rules. There has been NO attempt to do so. Hell we have people sitting in churches claiming sanctuary and nothing happens.

Very effective government....... and they want a majority?

And I'll call bullshit on that.

You know very well that things aren't as cut and dry with a minority government. Don't pretend it's an easy process when you know it's not.

No sense trying when you know you'll have zero help on numerous issues such as immigration, the Senate, etc.

Harper had talked numerous times about Senate reform, but it's not something you scribble on a napkin and it's done. It requires an exceptional amount of co-operation from a Federal and Provincial level as well as changes to our Constitution.

As for the gun registry, Harper has been trying to get is scrapped but has had little luck drumming up support. Harper cannot pass any legislation without support and you know that.

Don't pretend to be a obtuse just for the sake of making an invalid point.

[EyeBrock]

bootlegga bootlegga:

stokes stokes:

Even if he did bring forth a bill to change our immigration system with more checks and balances, I dont think he could get it through parliment let a lone the senate with a minority government, there is a lot in this country that needs fixing and until the CPC have the majority they deserve nothing will get better.

Until Harper moves to the middle, he'll always be in the minority or opposition. To govern Canada, you have to occupy the middle, not the right or the left. Recent Liberal election results (and the NDP) are proof positive of that. If he wants to run the country with a majority, that means representing the majority of Canadians, not just those on the right.

I'm not seeing a vast ideological difference between Harper and Iggy. How much more centre can the CPC get?

[Scape]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I don't think he had much choice. Parliament won't reform the system and something had to be done.

They could have staffed the refugee department. After all they are cronicly short of positions and therefor behind. The govermnet has been made aware of the situation for years now and still fail to staff.

Also, this impacts trade and tourism for both countries. Visas mean a lot of people who were going to come to canada in the tens of thousands and spend money in our economy won't. That a huge hammer to swat a fly when they could have at least engaged the mexican officals and at least tried at a compromise but zero attempt was made. If the stats show the rates rising both sides know what is going on and it's not the system that changed in the last three years and a some of those claims are duplicates from the backlog and that acts as a multiplier overtime. Ultimatly if the system is staffed the rejections will be faster and they won't reapply.

[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I don't think he had much choice. Parliament won't reform the system and something had to be done.

They could have staffed the refugee department. After all they are cronicly short of positions and therefor behind. The govermnet has been made aware of the situation for years now and still fail to staff.

Also, this impacts trade and tourism for both countries. Visas mean a lot of people who were going to come to canada in the tens of thousands and spend money in our economy won't. That a huge hammer to swat a fly when they could have at least engaged the mexican officals and at least tried at a compromise but zero attempt was made. If the stats show the rates rising both sides know what is going on and it's not the system that changed in the last three years and a some of those claims are duplicates from the backlog and that acts as a multiplier overtime. Ultimatly if the system is staffed the rejections will be faster and they won't reapply.

They need to change the system, not throw more money at it.

The refugee system is broken. The Tories can't change it because the Libs/NDP/Bloc don't have the political stomach to do it, even though most Canadians agree there needs to be changes.

We should be able to say who comes into our country and who can take advantage of our immigration system, but due to SCC decisions, a politicised IRB board and a Parliament with timid MP's to scared to annoy special interest groups, we can't.

The Tories did the only thing open to them and you guys whining about the decision should look to the other side of the house on this.

When the liberals start having an immigration policy that puts Canada first, not those cheating their way in or the immigration lobbyists, is when they will get my vote.
I'm waiting.

[Frederick]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Scape Scape:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I don't think he had much choice. Parliament won't reform the system and something had to be done.

They could have staffed the refugee department. After all they are cronicly short of positions and therefor behind. The govermnet has been made aware of the situation for years now and still fail to staff.

Also, this impacts trade and tourism for both countries. Visas mean a lot of people who were going to come to canada in the tens of thousands and spend money in our economy won't. That a huge hammer to swat a fly when they could have at least engaged the mexican officals and at least tried at a compromise but zero attempt was made. If the stats show the rates rising both sides know what is going on and it's not the system that changed in the last three years and a some of those claims are duplicates from the backlog and that acts as a multiplier overtime. Ultimatly if the system is staffed the rejections will be faster and they won't reapply.

They need to change the system, not throw more money at it.

The refugee system is broken. The Tories can't change it because the Libs/NDP/Bloc don't have the political stomach to do it, even though most Canadians agree there needs to be changes.

We should be able to say who comes into our country and who can take advantage of our immigration system, but due to SCC decisions, a politicised IRB board and a Parliament with timid MP's to scared to annoy special interest groups, we can't.

The Tories did the only thing open to them and you guys whining about the decision should look to the other side of the house on this.

When the liberals start having an immigration policy that puts Canada first, not those cheating their way in or the immigration lobbyists, is when they will get my vote.
I'm waiting.

I find it very hard to believe that the government can slap a visa requirement on a specific country without going to parliament, but is completely unable to make any changes to the refugee system without going to parliament.

[Scape]

The system still rejects claims but they are not done as timely because they do not have the staff. Beyond that the changes that could be made in parliament could be actioned right now and if the measure fails we go to the polls and Harper has a winning ticket. So the real issue here is why doesn't he call the bluff then unless he is unsure as to how it will play out. I'm sure he will get the votes of the people who already vote for him but would this win him any new votes? I think we both know the answer to that. So in the meantime he gins this up as an issue by deliberatly understaffing but the few claims that do get through pale in comparison to the hundreds of thousands that we will lose in tourism and trade from this fiasco and he still hasn't made any real changes.

[Frederick]

Scape Scape:

The system still rejects claims but they are not done as timely because they do not have the staff. Beyond that the changes that could be made in parliament could be actioned right now and if the measure fails we go to the polls and Harper has a winning ticket. So the real issue here is why doesn't he call the bluff then unless he is unsure as to how it will play out. I'm sure he will get the votes of the people who already vote for him but would this win him any new votes? I think we both know the answer to that. So in the meantime he gins this up as an issue by deliberatly understaffing but the few claims that do get through pale in comparison to the hundreds of thousands that we will lose in tourism and trade from this fiasco and he still hasn't made any real changes.

And what I don't understand about Ignatieff is why he isn't making this point - that even as we've got rising unemployment, and an understaffed federal agency, Harper isn't putting two and two together. He could even explicitly hire them on as temporary workers to "deal with the backlog" and avoid accusations of permanently bloating the public sector, so there's no reason not to. Why is Ignatieff silent on this point?

[Scape]

Iggy has been silent on many issues. I don't see the NDP doing much better either but neither are really in a position to do much about it.

[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

The system still rejects claims but they are not done as timely because they do not have the staff. Beyond that the changes that could be made in parliament could be actioned right now and if the measure fails we go to the polls and Harper has a winning ticket. So the real issue here is why doesn't he call the bluff then unless he is unsure as to how it will play out. I'm sure he will get the votes of the people who already vote for him but would this win him any new votes? I think we both know the answer to that. So in the meantime he gins this up as an issue by deliberatly understaffing but the few claims that do get through pale in comparison to the hundreds of thousands that we will lose in tourism and trade from this fiasco and he still hasn't made any real changes.

The whole system has been screwed up for years. Hiring more case workers won’t fix a broken system.

My work place had a problem in getting the right number of qualified people for the vacancies we had so we looked at recruiting from the UK to fill the shortfall.
We had no problems getting qualified applicants but the average time to process applicants was 18 months. Not very useful.

In Alberta similar 'employers' partnered with the Province and made that 18 months become just 3 months. There was no way we could do that here because Ontario wouldn't play ball, so it's not just the Feds on this.

It took me nearly two years to get into Canada, then I was restricted on employment for six months. I was sponsored and my sponsor was liable for 10 years for any social assistance, i.e welfare. For six months I had no income.

It pisses me off no end to see some guy who's flushed his passport down the aircraft toilet and claims refugee status, can in be Canada that day and get social assistance, no checks, no medical, assumed names accepted.

Even if their claims are rejected, they will be in Canada for 4-5 years before all avenues of appeals are exhausted.
By this time many failed/bogus claimants have had kids in Canada and most are allowed to stay on 'humanitarian' grounds. God bless the immigration lawyers and advocacy groups.

We have the highest acceptance rate of refugees per capita in the western world. And really, sod the money we lose in Mexican tourism dollars. How much do you think 9000 + bogus refugee claimants cost us?

Nobody is knocking immigration here, after all I'm an immigrant myself.
But a sovereign nation should be able to say who is allowed in to the country without the Supreme Court making asinine decisions and without the issue being degraded to partisan political point making in parliament or the media.

Somebody , Liberal, Tory whomever, needs to sort this out.

Lets get rid of the bogus claimants that have been clogging up the system for decades.
Lets make this fair and lets kick out the cheats in less than five years. Let's try a month?

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

bootlegga bootlegga:

stokes stokes:

Even if he did bring forth a bill to change our immigration system with more checks and balances, I dont think he could get it through parliment let a lone the senate with a minority government, there is a lot in this country that needs fixing and until the CPC have the majority they deserve nothing will get better.

Until Harper moves to the middle, he'll always be in the minority or opposition. To govern Canada, you have to occupy the middle, not the right or the left. Recent Liberal election results (and the NDP) are proof positive of that. If he wants to run the country with a majority, that means representing the majority of Canadians, not just those on the right.

I'm not seeing a vast ideological difference between Harper and Iggy. How much more centre can the CPC get?

My point was that Dion shifted the Liberals to the left. I agree that there is little difference between Harper and Iggy right now, but we'll see come election time. My guess is Harper will be more right wing than Iggy is, but only time will tell.

[Scape]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Lets get rid of the bogus claimants that have been clogging up the system for decades.
Lets make this fair and lets kick out the cheats in less than five years. Let's try a month?

That is going to mean more staff even if it is only temps. Regardless the Alberta option did just that and it brought the wait down by supplementing federal work. Make no mistake thou it is still federal work and that's why Ontario wanted no hand in it. Still the Alberta option worked and simply put the whole system could work if they get serious about staffing.

Beyond that your correct that being without an income for 6 months and dependent upon a sponsor for 10 years is detrimental and is in desperate need of review. That could easily be rectified by even a private members bill by any of the parties but none think it is that important to Canadians. Perhaps you could write your MP and hear why.

[poquas]

Frederick Frederick:

I find it very hard to believe that the government can slap a visa requirement on a specific country without going to parliament, but is completely unable to make any changes to the refugee system without going to parliament.

More importantly, there's been NO serious effort by any party to address the problem. The Conservatives annoy me the most because they made immigration an issue years ago and now in power do nothing. Harper’s ham-handed solution is an embarrassment to all Canadians.

[kenmore]

We're talking about phoney refugee claims here folks.. no Country has the right to challenge our policy on phoney claims..