[N_Fiddledog]

Here's one on why there's a concern about the living will clause in the bill.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 97806.html

I'm under the impression there's more in the bill leading to the paranoia of a possibility of population control. Could be wrong about that though.

[Scape]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

LightStarr LightStarr:

Of course Ms. Palin is just in it for the attention. If she wanted to release a proper press story she would have done so to a legitimate outlet and not Facebook. She reminds me of those people who have status messages screaming for attention. She is best ignored.

Here's Republican rep Michelle Bachman saying pretty much the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CHBvKGmevI

The critic claims the quotes are incomplete.

The controversy comes from a passage in the Health care bill. Don't try this link unless you have a strong computer, but I believe it's on page 425 of this PDF of the bill.

I couldn't get the link to run myself, but Rachel Maddow says the passage only concerns living wills, and it was a Republican who added it.

I don't think the oppositions message here is really refined and that Palin/Bachman are not providing options here just the message of the party of no. Slogans are cold comfort and denial is not leadership but when you have only two options and you don't want or are afraid of change the GOP is the only option.

It's sad they can not in good faith try to improve a system that is so blatantly in ruin but they have a vested interest to keep the status quo.

Follow the money

[Pseudonym]

Anyone remember Ronald Reagan's characterization of the USSR as an evil empire? The idea that socialism/communism/statism is a moral evil is not new. I like how the Palin haters are loading on again with more garbage. Get a new hobby.

[Praxius]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Anyone remember Ronald Reagan's characterization of the USSR as an evil empire? The idea that socialism/communism/statism is a moral evil is not new. I like how the Palin haters are loading on again with more garbage. Get a new hobby.

I'd have to say Palin is the one who needs to get a new hobby, as being a politician clearly isn't working for her.

$1:

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called President Barack Obama's health plan "downright evil" Friday in her first online comments since leaving office, saying in a Facebook posting that he would create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans.

"Who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course," the former vice Republican presidential candidate wrote on her Facebook page, which has nearly 700,000 supporters.

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote.

^ This is just yet another one of her typical fearmongering rants with no substance or logic justifying it..... oh and let's also not forget that she used her children for her own political gains yet again..... oh but I forgot, we're not supposed to talk about her children or how they're used to further her ignorant political struggle to the top... only she's allowed to do that.

If she ever wanted to appear to have any brains left in that nobby little nugget she calls a head, if she really had a problem with this health care plan, perhaps she should pop a few brain farts and think beyond 5 seconds to formulate a reasonable and sensible argument, rather then resorting to such dumbass terms as "Death Panel" OOoOooOOoo.... Booga Booga... cuz I guess Canada also has a Death Panel too?

$1:

In the posting, Palin encouraged her supporters to be engaged in the debate. "Nationalizing our health care system is a point of no return for government interference in the lives of its citizens. If we go down this path, there will be no turning back," Palin wrote.

"Let's stop and think and make our voices heard before it's too late," the posting said.

Yes.... let's stop..... and think..... wait wait.... don't let your voice be heard just yet, have you thought long enough yet? Does everything make sense? Are we missing anything in our understanding?

Have we applied ignition to our brains before putting our mouths into gear yet?

Ok... now you can let your voice be heard.

"Nationalizing our health care system is a point of no return for government interference in the lives of its citizens. If we go down this path, there will be no turning back,"

^ How? How will this never be able to be turned back? Why would this be a point of no return? How does she seem to know for a fact??

She's been completely wrong about so much already, are we seriously going to believe she has any level of understanding on health care?

Secondly.... wtf? Wern't we all done with her being in the spot light? Why is anybody listening to her anymore?

[Scape]

Why does anyone listen to Newt? He doesn't hold a seat either and he buying into the death panel idea as well.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/poli ... cks_palin/

[ridenrain]

Ya know... He'd probably get more credability if the logo wasn't so blatant:

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http://www.examiner.com/x-6722-Miami-Ci ... are-Reform

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Wow, am I the only one that's noticed a lack of interference in our lives from the government due to socialized medicine?
Death Panel? What the hell would she call those assholes that work for private insurance companies in the US that deny payment for needed medical services because they have shareholders to be accountable to?
Oh yeah, it's called "free" enterprise.

[Praxius]

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Why does anyone listen to Newt? He doesn't hold a seat either and he buying into the death panel idea as well.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/poli ... cks_palin/

Hey you know what?

Why are many of us even bothering?

Seriously, let the people in the US listen to their various levels of propaganda for and/or against the subject and decide for themselves. If they think changing their current health care system is such a bad thing and it's going to cause even more deaths because of medical services being denied (which is already happening in the current system) then keep things the way they are and watch the entire thing just fester and fester into something even worse then today.

And if they go for something like what we or other nations with UHC have, then so much the better, we all move on.

I personally don't care what the US or it's people think of our health care, because honestly it's none of our concern what they think of our system.... they need to focus on their own system and what works for them. If they want to make our system out to be the boogy-man and not actually use our system objectively, then they're only screwing themselves over, not us.

[Scape]

Except that this is not about national health care this is about a public option and creating fear so toxic that people are whipped into a lathered frenzy and show up en masse shouting down town halls. That is not democracy, that is brown shirt thuggery. It is an assault being led by the likes of Palin, Newt and lauded and stoked by Beck and Rush et al not one is an elected member or the house or senate. Think that insanity will magically stop at the boarder?

[Praxius]

Scape Scape:

Except that this is not about national health care this is about a public option and creating fear so toxic that people are whipped into a lathered frenzy and show up en masse shouting down town halls. That is not democracy, that is brown shirt thuggery. It is an assault being led by the likes of Palin, Newt and lauded and stoked by Beck and Rush et al not one is an elected member or the house or senate. Think that insanity will magically stop at the boarder?

It hasn't stopped before, but I know when to draw the line.... and as soon as they start meddling into our own affairs other then opinion, I'll be getting pretty bitchy.

[ridenrain]

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Except that this is not about national health care this is about a public option and creating fear so toxic that people are whipped into a lathered frenzy and show up en masse shouting down town halls. That is not democracy, that is brown shirt thuggery. It is an assault being led by the likes of Palin, Newt and lauded and stoked by Beck and Rush et al not one is an elected member or the house or senate. Think that insanity will magically stop at the boarder?

Save us Peloci. Save us from the ugly mob.

[Scape]

[ridenrain]

Yeah.. those folks are so un-American. They need to be reported to the Obama snitch line.

I love how reading the bill is simply dismissed as just a talking point. The talking head says that it's important and some of those evil republicans didn't... but for this occasion, it's somehow a good thing.

[N_Fiddledog]

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That is not democracy, that is brown shirt thuggery.

Are you sure you don't mean Purple Shirt thuggery Scape?



Weren't those the purple shirts of the pro-Obama Service Employee Union I saw in the video there? Isn't that the aftermath of 3 purple shirted SEIU members kicking the crap out of a black guy who was handing out "Don't tread on me shirts"?

[N_Fiddledog]

Scape Scape:

As far as this one's goes, you've gotta be joking. There is no point in that spiel which is not a tiny factoid spun, twisted, and easily contradicted, or at least challenged by more complete facts.

There's too many BS points being made there to deal with them all, but I challenge you. Show me the one single point being made in that video you consider so overwhelming in absolute fact there can be no argument against it.

Would you like to start with the one which says it's the Republicans astro-turfing.

Check out this one

Find the astro turfers in that pictorial review of the Nancy Pelosi event. Hint: You'll have to scroll towards the bottom.