[Robair]

$1:

We take aim at those who import-export drugs, people in the grow-op business, people who produce methamphetamines, heroin, other drugs -- we send out the correct message to them -- that if you get involved in this kind of activity, you are going to jail."

Gee mister Nicholson, would "other drugs" include marijuana per chance?

Legalize BC bud, then shoot for tougher drug laws. You won't find near as much, if any, resistance.

[ridenrain]

Derby: The day you start freely admitting that the Liberal party sometimes does dumb things and start to seperate yourself from the party is the day I cut you some slack.

We've been down this road before..
RCMP says >90% of the pot grown in BC is smuggled accross the line into the US. Changing the law here won't change the organized crime that is behind this drug smuggling.


It's off topic but I'll address it: Health care isn't working the way it is and we need to do something. I've never said that 100% privatizing is the way to go but it's obvious that rich people are already paying to go where they need to to get the service they need.

[Robair]

ridenrain ridenrain:

We've been down this road before..
RCMP says >90% of the pot grown in BC is smuggled accross the line into the US. Changing the law here won't change the organized crime that is behind this drug smuggling.

It would sure help them get this bill passed. Nobody opposes tougher laws for meth producers/dealers.

[ridenrain]

Obviously the Liberal dominated senate does.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Derby: The day you start freely admitting that the Liberal party sometimes does dumb things and start to seperate yourself from the party is the day I cut you some slack.

The day you start to admit the conservatives do the same I'll stroke out from disbelief.

Why should I separate myself from the party I support? You support the CPC despite them turning their back on everything you claim was wrong with the Liberals and why you allegedly supported them as the reform.

Don't waste your time denying it.

ridenrain ridenrain:

We've been down this road before..
RCMP says >90% of the pot grown in BC is smuggled accross the line into the US. Changing the law here won't change the organized crime that is behind this drug smuggling.

Except that the evidence in other countries has shown that crime and violence does go down and usage as well.

Legalizing it also won't prevent police from going after the gangs either. All legalization does is help Canadians and it will lower crime and violence in our country.

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's off topic but I'll address it: Health care isn't working the way it is and we need to do something. I've never said that 100% privatizing is the way to go but it's obvious that rich people are already paying to go where they need to to get the service they need.

Our health care is working fine. We have lots and lots of dedicated workers who strive to give Canada quality care and judging by the numbers it works quite well.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/h ... lth21.html
http://www.diemer.ca/Docs/Diemer-TenHealthCareMyths.htm
http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2009/06/ ... adian.html
http://www.denverpost.com/perspective/ci_12523427

$1:

Myth: Canadians are paying out of pocket to come to the U.S. for medical care.Most patients who come from Canada to the U.S. for health care are those whose costs are covered by the Canadian governments. If a Canadian goes outside of the country to get services that are deemed medically necessary, not experimental, and are not available at home for whatever reason (e.g., shortage or absence of high tech medical equipment; a longer wait for service than is medically prudent; or lack of physician expertise), the provincial government where you live fully funds your care. Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.

Like I said. Please contact the CPC and tell them to campaign on your ideas about the health care system in Canada ...... please.

[ridenrain]

The policys you suggest would sieze up the border and cripple trade with the US.

[DerbyX]

You think. You don't know. I say that Canada would be the primer to many US states legalizing as well and I doubt the US will hurt their own trade as much as you think. They buy goods from us because they can't get it elsewhere or get it cheaper. They aren't about to sink their own economy.

[ridenrain]

If a US state took the first step, it might work but I doubt it because the money would still be going to organized criminals outside the US. More likely the US state would sponsor it's own grow industry and keep the money at home.

If it's such a good idea, get your party to run with it.

[Robair]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Obviously the Liberal dominated senate does.

That is either 100% partisan shite, or you are not intelligent enough to understand my post.

I'm going out on a limb and guessing partisan shite?

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

If a US state took the first step, it might work but I doubt it because the money would still be going to organized criminals outside the US. More likely the US state would sponsor it's own grow industry and keep the money at home.

If it's such a good idea, get your party to run with it.

Some of us prefer our country lead rather then follow.

As in the health care point, if privatization is such a great idea then get your party to run with it ..... please.

[ridenrain]

... but you had the chance and you didn't do it.
"We didn't get it done, and we have to get it done"


Robair: Spell it out for me because I can't see anyone against harsh punishment for: "those who import-export drugs, people in the grow-op business, people who produce methamphetamines, heroin, other drugs".

[poquas]

Does anyone, perchance, have any information FROM someone in the senate, explaining why there is a holdup? I believe we have a couple of Conservative members “working” there.

It's typical to bury little partisan goodies in various bills that are completely unrelated to the main purpose of the bill. Every once in awhile someone actually reads the bill and slams on the brakes...... as they should.

[Robair]

ridenrain ridenrain:

... but you had the chance and you didn't do it.
"We didn't get it done, and we have to get it done"


Robair: Spell it out for me because I can't see anyone against harsh punishment for: "those who import-export drugs, people in the grow-op business, people who produce methamphetamines, heroin, other drugs".

You can't see anyone against harsh punishments for marijuana? What country do you live in??

Legalize BC bud, and this legislation (stiff penalties for drug traffickers etc) passes. Because nobody has a problem with the drugs he named, that's why he named them. Then quietly included BC bud in "other drugs".

[ridenrain]

Robair. It's still the same thing. Legal BC pot can't be shipped illegally into the US.
The big money and markets is the US and there's no way their going to accept a foreign country importing illegal drugs.

This legislation is aimed at organized crime and isn't going to do anything to the small time, personal grower.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

If it's the solution, why didn't your Liberals legalize drugs then?

No doubt due to threats from the US government about border controls or something. Dubya would have had a brain hemmorage if we had 'legalized' marijuana.