[Lemmy]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

1.)Tie had nothing to do with Dash and Wanda Liczyk's crap.

Wrong. Dash claimed the money that mysteriously ended up in his bank account was given to him by Tie. Tie perjured himself on that point, which makes him guilty of not only perjury but obstruction of justice. Tie's lies (alliterative Jeopardy category?) effectively laundered the all the kickback money, which should have been a third (at least) criminal charge against ole Pumpkinhead.

[Terence]

I actually knew Wanda and did during the inquiry.

I don't doubt Dash was a manipulative shit, I admit Wanda was incredibly stupid and the people who truly profited did not include her, other than a few gifts and trips.

Tie was just lying about where the money came from to protect family. It doesn't make him guilty of being part of the MFP scandal, but protecting an ass in his family. There is a big big difference.

BTW: I hate you for making me defend one of the few Leafs I have disliked.

[Lemmy]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

I actually knew Wanda and did during the inquiry.

I don't doubt Dash was a manipulative shit, I admit Wanda was incredibly stupid and the people who truly profited did not include her, other than a few gifts and trips.

Tie was just lying about where the money came from to protect family. It doesn't make him guilty of being part of the MFP scandal, but protecting an ass in his family. There is a big big difference.

BTW: I hate you for making me defend one of the few Leafs I have disliked.

He lied, under oath, about giving his brother, COINCIDENTALLY, exactly the same amount of money that was withdrawn from Jacobek's account. That's perjury, and since it was during a police inquiry, it's obstructing justice. Since it's also enterprise crime and laundering, that's a third criminal offence. Tie was involved in this mess and should have gone to jail for his involvement.

And as a life long Petes fan, it pains me to say what I have, but you can't argue with the facts.

[Terence]

he lied to protect his brother - period

he recieved no cash or had no involvement with the sales end.


Personally I'd lie for my brothers, even if they were as greedy as Dash. Because you protect family, difference is, I'd make up a better story than Dash.

[Lemmy]

I know WHY he did it. But lying for your brother when he skipped English class or raided the old man's liquor stash is a hell of a lot different from perjury, obstruction of justice and money laundering. A man of honour would never ask nor expect his brother to lie to cover up criminal activity.

[Terence]

The thought of your dumb brother being repeatedly sodomized by Toronto's gang affiliated penal residents brings that out in macho guys. Especially if they are... ick.. Pittsburgh Penguins fans.

[ASLplease]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

ASLplease ASLplease:

But I do have a certain amount of reverence for workers that consistently show up to work.

The city wants to screw over the workers that actually show up to work, meanwhile they don't have a problem with the asshats that call in sick because they have a sore toe nail or a cough. Showing up to work is a basic requirement for most jobs, the city of Toronto doesn't seem to think so. That makes them just as useless and incompetent as the union workers that call in sick.

How is not paying sick days to people who were well a right?

Do you get anything for using health care less than a cancer patient, or a person who eats junk food 24/7 and has a paralyzing stroke? No.

You are not entitled to sick days. Contractor workers, non union and small business owners don't have them. If we don't work, we make squat, as it should be.

They should better police sick day abuse. In a small geographical area like Toronto, it would quite easy to set up random home visits by nurse practioners to weed out or discourage the cheaters.

Thats axactly the kind of arguement that will push good hard working people into joining the asshats that phone in sick because they have a runny nose.

If I had a choice between paying someone to stay home, or paying someone that actually shows up to work, then I would choose the later. It's simple economics.

I think it's funny how you probably think that I'm the socialist and you are the conservative, but make no mistake, I don't like unions.

However, I do like workers that show up to work.

[Terence]

Difference is, I worked in the Toronto civil service with these people, and no one abuses the rules like they (CUPE) do. The benefits and allowances are beyond what friends were getting in the Provincial and Federal side.

[ASLplease]

If I was negotiating against the unions, I would take away all sick days, and offer a new sick day program similar to Torontos because the banked sick days could be used to artificially inflate the pension figures that I quote them. Everytime I tell them what their pension is worth, I would give them a figure that assumes that they were never sick.....then slap them in the face with reality when it comes time for them to retire.

[Terence]

I see banked sick days as being punitive against people with chronic disease and legit illnesses. Making them suffer and having to work up to an extra year and a half (over a 30 year period) over others who were lucky not to have a disease.

That will happen, more and more. Toronto has a non discrimination policy that means there are a larger number of seriously disabled people on staff in office jobs, we had 4 in motorized chairs who all had reoccurring health issues. When a wheeltrans & TTC strike happened, they used sick days. So they would literally have to work months longer over a 25 year career because of regular Toronto Transit strikes and their illness.

[QBall]

Time to privatize garbage collection. Cut property taxes by 10% and have the citizens arrange their own garbage collection. I've had to use private collection here in a suburb of Victoria and I've never had to worry about strikes in the six years I've owned my house.

[Terence]

The way the deck is stacked, there wouldn't be any cost benefit. In my former workplace, this union forced the government to transfer unskilled workers into jobs they couldn't handle, and never would qualify for, for their existing pay whenever we eliminated departments or privatized certain services.

So what you have, are people going to work, sitting in the cafeteria most of the time, waiting for their pensions.

Imagine doing this with sanitation workers.

[danimal]

It's ridiculous, the city smells terrible and the work load will have doubled once they're back on the job!

[Terence]

they will get double time I believe, over their regular scheduled hours. Even though they caused the overtime.

[ASLplease]

QBall QBall:

Time to privatize garbage collection. Cut property taxes by 10% and have the citizens arrange their own garbage collection. I've had to use private collection here in a suburb of Victoria and I've never had to worry about strikes in the six years I've owned my house.

there needs to be a mechanism that allows people that recycle 100% to opt out of garbage collection fees. Perhaps a voucher that is handed to you every week that you don't have garbage. Combine this with a limit of how many bags per week you are allow.