[commanderkai]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

I wonder what would happen if someone referred to her Chrysler constituents as "a bunch of babies". Another day, another dumb comment from a politician.

I'm not sure why. Toronto is being very whiny, when Windsorites have been dealing with a CUPE strike for over two months now. Instead of being total crybabies, many residents, including yours truly, have been paying people to send the garbage to the dump.

The fact that Toronto lacks good garbage infrastructure, as well as have been relatively unscathed from the economic crisis, they truly do look like a bunch of babies.

[Mustang1]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

I wonder what would happen if someone referred to her Chrysler constituents as "a bunch of babies". Another day, another dumb comment from a politician.

I'm not sure why. Toronto is being very whiny, when Windsorites have been dealing with a CUPE strike for over two months now. Instead of being total crybabies, many residents, including yours truly, have been paying people to send the garbage to the dump.

The fact that Toronto lacks good garbage infrastructure, as well as have been relatively unscathed from the economic crisis, they truly do look like a bunch of babies.

How is Toronto being "whiny" instead of "frustrated" "upset" "annoyed" and when Windsor Chrysler workers asked for government assistance in Windsor were they being "whiny" little sucks too?

And if you think comparing Toronto strikes to Windsor, then you're sorely lacking in geographical awareness because Windsor is a minor blip when compared to a mega-city that produces a significant amount of trash.

[commanderkai]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

How is Toronto being "whiny" instead of "frustrated" "upset" "annoyed" and when Windsor Chrysler workers asked for government assistance in Windsor were they being "whiny" little sucks too?

And if you think comparing Toronto strikes to Windsor, then you're sorely lacking in geographical awareness because Windsor is a minor blip when compared to a mega-city that produces a significant amount of trash.

And thus begins the whiny issue. If you haven't noticed, nobody in Ontario, let alone Canada, enjoy the "center of the universe" attitude of Toronto. A strike is a strike, it sucks, but you deal with it.

Sure Toronto is a much larger city than Windsor, but in the end, the demographics and geopolitical importance of the cities doesn't matter. The fact is, both cities have CUPE strikes. The difference is, Windsor has had the strike for over two months, and the attitudes of Toronto citizens in their, what? Few day old strike? Is rather sad since there really hasn't been time for the garbage to pile up in huge numbers, nor time for the grass to grow to wilderness levels.

I say this demand of Federal help from Toronto so early into the strike is to the same level of calling in the Army to plow and shovel Toronto's streets.

And you can call Windsor's CAW whiny, I don't care. I'm not a union supporter. I'm talking about the people in both cities, Windsor, who has dealt with an 11 week old strike, and Toronto, who at the time of the article had a 3 day old strike, and the differences in attitudes of both cities.

[Mustang1]

commanderkai commanderkai:

And thus begins the whiny issue. If you haven't noticed, nobody in Ontario, let alone Canada, enjoy the "center of the universe" attitude of Toronto. A strike is a strike, it sucks, but you deal with it.

And thus begins the dodge issue. Why are you the sole description arbiter of their reaction? Why can't it be "frustration" or "upset" or "annoyance"? Again, i asked you to explain why "whiny" is used instead of another term?

$1:

Sure Toronto is a much larger city than Windsor, but in the end, the demographics and geopolitical importance of the cities doesn't matter.

Huh? Demographics, politics and taxation DO matter. Who pays more taxes, Windsor or Toronto residents? Who has more pressing issues in regards to infrastructure, waste collection, transit, etc, Windsor or Toronto? Who has MORE waste, Windsor or Toronto? Which city has a bigger role to play in the economics of Canada? Toronto residents have every right to be upset with the union, City Hall and the handling of the issue and whether you think it's or true or not, Toronto does have a bigger role to play in both politics and economics than Windsor.

$1:

The fact is, both cities have CUPE strikes. The difference is, Windsor has had the strike for over two months, and the attitudes of Toronto citizens in their, what? Few day old strike? Is rather sad since there really hasn't been time for the garbage to pile up in huge numbers, nor time for the grass to grow to wilderness levels.

It's a bigger strike and it certainly effects more people than Windsor. Deal with it. And again, why label Toronto residents "whiny" but suggest that Windsor inhabitants are stoically coping. Maybe the latter needs to get more involved politically.

$1:

I say this demand of Federal help from Toronto so early into the strike is to the same level of calling in the Army to plow and shovel Toronto's streets.

Toronto has different pressures than Windsor - whether its transit, immigration, social assistance, housing or infrastructure, Toronto has a different economic burden than Windsor. They're really not even in the same category. Sorry.

$1:

And you can call Windsor's CAW whiny, I don't care. I'm not a union supporter. I'm talking about the people in both cities, Windsor, who has dealt with an 11 week old strike, and Toronto, who at the time of the article had a 3 day old strike, and the differences in attitudes of both cities.

Correction, i asked why one was deemed "whiny" when another wasn't. Please don't ascribe things to me in an attempt to steal a point. The difference is maybe that the sheer differences between the two cities, their situations and their demographics is proof enough that one group might be more vocal than another. I could just make a cheap shot and say how would anyone even notice a garbage strike in Windsor? Oh...i just did.

[commanderkai]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

And thus begins the dodge issue. Why are you the sole description arbiter of their reaction? Why can't it be "frustration" or "upset" or "annoyance"? Again, i asked you to explain why "whiny" is used instead of another term?

I didn't really dodge. I just didn't realize my "sole description arbiter" status. Never realize my choice of words were so important. Let's make it clear.

In my opinion, they are being whiny. If you want to call it frustration or upset, then go ahead. Hell, you can even say their frustration and them being upset is causing them to whine. I'm not the sole arbiter of their reaction, I just used my belief of their reaction. If you have another, go ahead, it's a free country.

Also, I was referring to the Toronto city government. I honestly don't know, OR care for that matter, what the residents think. Why? Because that's why we have mayors.

[OnTheIce]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

How is Toronto being "whiny" instead of "frustrated" "upset" "annoyed" and when Windsor Chrysler workers asked for government assistance in Windsor were they being "whiny" little sucks too?

And if you think comparing Toronto strikes to Windsor, then you're sorely lacking in geographical awareness because Windsor is a minor blip when compared to a mega-city that produces a significant amount of trash.

And thus begins the whiny issue. If you haven't noticed, nobody in Ontario, let alone Canada, enjoy the "center of the universe" attitude of Toronto. A strike is a strike, it sucks, but you deal with it.

Sure Toronto is a much larger city than Windsor, but in the end, the demographics and geopolitical importance of the cities doesn't matter. The fact is, both cities have CUPE strikes. The difference is, Windsor has had the strike for over two months, and the attitudes of Toronto citizens in their, what? Few day old strike? Is rather sad since there really hasn't been time for the garbage to pile up in huge numbers, nor time for the grass to grow to wilderness levels.

I say this demand of Federal help from Toronto so early into the strike is to the same level of calling in the Army to plow and shovel Toronto's streets.

And you can call Windsor's CAW whiny, I don't care. I'm not a union supporter. I'm talking about the people in both cities, Windsor, who has dealt with an 11 week old strike, and Toronto, who at the time of the article had a 3 day old strike, and the differences in attitudes of both cities.

The vast majority of Torontonians aren't all whiny about the garbage strike. You're basing your opinion on what the media shows you and what the media does to get people to watch.

Toronto isn't asking for Federal help (where did you get that?)...some people are asking for Provincial help with the strike....but it's not coming from the City or the Union, it's coming from the public.

The unions demands are way too much in today's economic climate. Yes, David Miller is an idiot, but the unions are way too greedy in this case.

[Mustang1]

commanderkai commanderkai:

I didn't really dodge. I just didn't realize my "sole description arbiter" status. Never realize my choice of words were so important. Let's make it clear.

Yeah, you really did. I merely asked how you arrived at "whiny" and so far you've been unable to articulate it. And this post continues that trend

$1:

In my opinion, they are being whiny. If you want to call it frustration or upset, then go ahead. Hell, you can even say their frustration and them being upset is causing them to whine. I'm not the sole arbiter of their reaction, I just used my belief of their reaction. If you have another, go ahead, it's a free country.

Well, your "opinion" is merely a personal belief unsubstantiated by fact, so we'll leave it at that. I noticed that once anything even remotely objective is called for, you fall back on subjective prattle and omissions, so from now on we'll know.

$1:

Also, I was referring to the Toronto city government. I honestly don't know, OR care for that matter, what the residents think. Why? Because that's why we have mayors.

Huh? Stop with "I honestly don't know" and we're in business. Toronto residents have every right to be angry and frustrated about their current situation and it's too bad that insensitive, flippant individuals see fit to make inane comments regarding their plight. Oh right...it's merely their "opinions".