[RUEZ]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hey, well it's nice to see all the conservatvies here supporting their brethren in Iran like Ahmadinejad.

Where?

[ridenrain]

We have to wait. If we do anything before Obama moves, we'll get called meddling imperialists and if we do anything after, we'll be coppying him.

[Zipperfish]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hey, well it's nice to see all the conservatvies here supporting their brethren in Iran like Ahmadinejad.

Where?

In jumping all over Ignatieff for wantiong to help people getting beaten by the police. You know--the topic of this thread. Do try to keep up.

[Scape]

Thanos Thanos:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hey, well it's nice to see all the conservatvies here supporting their brethren in Iran like Ahmadinejad.

After all, when you think about it, this is just liberals stirring up their usual crap about freedom and garbage like that. I think what is required is a nice crack by the revolutionary guards, cut a few down in the streets, grab the leaders and the intellectuals and torture them uselss somewhere. And if that means we have to step over a few broken bodies in the streets, so be it.

But it'd still be Stephen Harper's fault if the embassy were seized and the staff held hostage, right?

Wouldn't it be Obama's for not being 'outspoken enough' at least that's the spin by the GOP till today anyway...

[Scape]

SPEAK OUT FOR IRAN AND ITS DEMOCRACY By John McCain

[Thanos]

Scape Scape:

Thanos Thanos:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hey, well it's nice to see all the conservatvies here supporting their brethren in Iran like Ahmadinejad.

After all, when you think about it, this is just liberals stirring up their usual crap about freedom and garbage like that. I think what is required is a nice crack by the revolutionary guards, cut a few down in the streets, grab the leaders and the intellectuals and torture them uselss somewhere. And if that means we have to step over a few broken bodies in the streets, so be it.

But it'd still be Stephen Harper's fault if the embassy were seized and the staff held hostage, right?

Wouldn't it be Obama's for not being 'outspoken enough' at least that's the spin by the GOP till today anyway...

Well that's the spin by those who are shit-headed enough to think that the domestic politics of the United States or Canada has a place in what's happening in Tehran. This is the problem with us living in this cocoon of self-centred ignorance of our own ridiculous ideologies. Someone genuinely stupid always comes along and decides that we have to become front-and-centre in someone else's rebellion. And that applies equally to American neo-cons and to Canadian Liberal party leaders who apparently don't give too much of a damn about what might happen to our embassy people if Ahmadinejad turns his notice our way.

[Zipperfish]

Yes I have a feeling that there's a lot of ideological drivel being thrown about. Personlly if someone banged on my door asking for medical help, I'd give it. That's a far cry from Canada taking an activist stance in the outcome of what's going on in Iran.

[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yes I have a feeling that there's a lot of ideological drivel being thrown about. Personlly if someone banged on my door asking for medical help, I'd give it. That's a far cry from Canada taking an activist stance in the outcome of what's going on in Iran.

Yeah, that's the heartstrings argument, but the difference between your definition of legitimate help and what the Iranian dictatorship regards as legitimate help is probably light years apart. Canada's been on Iran's shit-list ever since Ken Taylor smuggled those American embassy staffers out of Tehran back in 1979. They tortured and murdered an Iranian-Canadian journalist a couple of years back and basically laughed in our faces about it when we protested diplomatically. Their current president made his career in the paramilitaries by being involved directly in the invasion and hostage-taking at the United States embassy. Given all this our wisest course of action would have been to maintain the absolutely strictest neutrality possible, even if it meant locking the embassy doors to all Iranian civilians, even injured protestors, during the current unrest.

A hard decison, yes, but the safety of our diplomatic personnel in a place that has the rotten history of revolutionary Islamist Iran should have been the highest priority. Not the last priority, as Michael Ignatieff apparently believes. I'd rather have to endure another round of our enlightened opposition and political media calling Stephen Harper heartless instead of having to hear them cackle and blame him for a potential hostage crisis involving Canadians that no government could do anything at all to solve.

[RUEZ]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Hey, well it's nice to see all the conservatvies here supporting their brethren in Iran like Ahmadinejad.

Where?

In jumping all over Ignatieff for wantiong to help people getting beaten by the police. You know--the topic of this thread. Do try to keep up.

One person called him an idiot. Do try to keep up.

[Bodah]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yes I have a feeling that there's a lot of ideological drivel being thrown about. Personlly if someone banged on my door asking for medical help, I'd give it. That's a far cry from Canada taking an activist stance in the outcome of what's going on in Iran.

We were merely 6 maybe 12 hours beind in responding compared to other countries, and keep in mind we weren't at the bottom of that list.

But keep on milking it, by all means.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yes I have a feeling that there's a lot of ideological drivel being thrown about. Personlly if someone banged on my door asking for medical help, I'd give it. That's a far cry from Canada taking an activist stance in the outcome of what's going on in Iran.

Yeah, that's the heartstrings argument, but the difference between your definition of legitimate help and what the Iranian dictatorship regards as legitimate help is probably light years apart. Canada's been on Iran's shit-list ever since Ken Taylor smuggled those American embassy staffers out of Tehran back in 1979. They tortured and murdered an Iranian-Canadian journalist a couple of years back and basically laughed in our faces about it when we protested diplomatically. Their current president made his career in the paramilitaries by being involved directly in the invasion and hostage-taking at the United States embassy. Given all this our wisest course of action would have been to maintain the absolutely strictest neutrality possible, even if it meant locking the embassy doors to all Iranian civilians, even injured protestors, during the current unrest.

A hard decison, yes, but the safety of our diplomatic personnel in a place that has the rotten history of revolutionary Islamist Iran should have been the highest priority. Not the last priority, as Michael Ignatieff apparently believes. I'd rather have to endure another round of our enlightened opposition and political media calling Stephen Harper heartless instead of having to hear them cackle and blame him for a potential hostage crisis involving Canadians that no government could do anything at all to solve.

I agree our response should be measured. It could well be that whats-iz-nuts actually did win the election. A thought many haven't considered, I'm sure. And they've killed--what?--two dozen so far. Probably a few hundred more at the mercies of various zealous interragtors in the Ministry of the Interior. Nasty, but par for the course for most countries, especially out that way. Still, I think we should take in a few injured and refrain from political histrionics. That strikes me as a measured response.

Harper's response will be typically ideological and unimaginative. Probably he'll parrot whatever the US and Israel say, as is his norm for foreign affairs.

[Zipperfish]

RUEZ RUEZ:

In jumping all over Ignatieff for wantiong to help people getting beaten by the police. You know--the topic of this thread. Do try to keep up.

$1:

One person called him an idiot. Do try to keep up.

Let's not forget your response: "take them to the hospital." Is that what you would have said to Neda Agha Soltan if you say her shot and dying in the street? "Hey love to help. Which hospital do you want to go to? I'd help you out myself, but I don't want any trouble wiht the regime."

[Bodah]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Let's not forget your response: "take them to the hospital." Is that what you would have said to Neda Agha Soltan if you say her shot and dying in the street? "Hey love to help. Which hospital do you want to go to? I'd help you out myself, but I don't want any trouble wiht the regime."

I doubt the desk jockeys at the Canadian Embassy in Tehran, are able to help a young women with a hole in her chest from a rifle shot with a box of band-aids, gauze and a certificate.

Neda would be better off going to a hospital no ?

Unfortunately that doesn't matter since she passed away within two minutes after being shot.

[RUEZ]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

RUEZ RUEZ:

In jumping all over Ignatieff for wantiong to help people getting beaten by the police. You know--the topic of this thread. Do try to keep up.

$1:

One person called him an idiot. Do try to keep up.

Let's not forget your response: "take them to the hospital." Is that what you would have said to Neda Agha Soltan if you say her shot and dying in the street? "Hey love to help. Which hospital do you want to go to? I'd help you out myself, but I don't want any trouble wiht the regime."

I've been saying that since Scape first started posting about the Embassy not being open. It hardly has anything to do with Iggy. And yes I would have said that about the woman who's been shot. How is the embassy going to help? At best they have first aid. I've taken first aid, it's not sufficient to help a gunshot wound.

[Zipperfish]

RUEZ RUEZ:

I've been saying that since Scape first started posting about the Embassy not being open. It hardly has anything to do with Iggy. And yes I would have said that about the woman who's been shot. How is the embassy going to help? At best they have first aid. I've taken first aid, it's not sufficient to help a gunshot wound.

"Hardly has antyhing to do with Iggy?" What is the title of this thread? And the first page of posts is primarily criticism of Iggy for suggesting that Canadians at the embassy might be able to help the wounded. Thus my comment that the political hacks on here will even align themselves with scumbags like Ahmaninejad as long as they can score a couple of points on Iggy.