[ASLplease]

there's no correlation...

[stratos]

The carry law allowed gun owners to carry their weapons. Before even if you had it in the car it was illegal. You had to have the ammo seperated from the gun. Gun in glove box ammo in trunk type thing or the three step rule. You had to make at least three distinct movements to get your weapon. Such as Step 1. open glove box, step two get gun box from glove box, Step 3 open gun box then you had access to your weapon. That was legal IF you had a permit to have the gun.

Criminals.... well they just carried the gun. Now criminals and law abideing citizens are on an equal footing. Odd how when citizens are allowed to exercise their rights they do it with results like whats happened in Texas, when the Gov. dictates on those rights things get worse NY, D.C. are prime examples of two places with extreame gun laws and some of the highest gun related crimes in the US.

[N_Fiddledog]

bootlegga bootlegga:

So much for the theory that more guns makes you more safe...

That is one difficult graph to make sense of. Are they saying over 40% of homes in Alberta, and 50% of homes in America have guns? Along the Y axis what do they mean by gunshot death rate? Is that deaths per something or other, or are they saying that was the actual number of deaths in a particular year. If it's the latter it's either severely out of date, or flat out BS.

The graph is dated 2008, but it doesn't say what specific year or years it's supposed to represent.

I distrust graphs with no dated context on what's recorded, and fuzzy definitions.

I notice the graph itself comes from an anti-gun site, but where does the actual data used to make the graph come from?

No offense, or anything. I'm sure your motives in posting it are pure, but my BS detector is going off when I look at that graph.

[ASLplease]

My graph has more integrity because there are way too many factors that are different with a data set that includes other countries....things like different laws, different economic structures, different social programs and standards of living.

[Delwin]

stratos stratos:

The carry law allowed gun owners to carry their weapons. Before even if you had it in the car it was illegal. You had to have the ammo seperated from the gun. Gun in glove box ammo in trunk type thing or the three step rule. You had to make at least three distinct movements to get your weapon. Such as Step 1. open glove box, step two get gun box from glove box, Step 3 open gun box then you had access to your weapon. That was legal IF you had a permit to have the gun.

Criminals.... well they just carried the gun. Now criminals and law abideing citizens are on an equal footing. Odd how when citizens are allowed to exercise their rights they do it with results like whats happened in Texas, when the Gov. dictates on those rights things get worse NY, D.C. are prime examples of two places with extreame gun laws and some of the highest gun related crimes in the US.

Your wrong and don't know what you are talking about. Do a little research, Texas state representative Susan Gratia Hupp is almost soley responsible for spurring the Carry law.
She was an avid gun user who kept her loaded weapon is her car which was legal in Texas in 1991 while her parents were gunned down in a cafeteria.

Here is her story :

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/ ... side1.html

Here is the actual testimony from the hearings which changed the law.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7893819675

Quit making shit up to fit your argument

[Proculation]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

bootlegga bootlegga:

So much for the theory that more guns makes you more safe...

That is one difficult graph to make sense of. Are they saying over 40% of homes in Alberta, and 50% of homes in America have guns? Along the Y axis what do they mean by gunshot death rate? Is that deaths per something or other, or are they saying that was the actual number of deaths in a particular year. If it's the latter it's either severely out of date, or flat out BS.

The graph is dated 2008, but it doesn't say what specific year or years it's supposed to represent.

I distrust graphs with no dated context on what's recorded, and fuzzy definitions.

I notice the graph itself comes from an anti-gun site, but where does the actual data used to make the graph come from?

No offense, or anything. I'm sure your motives in posting it are pure, but my BS detector is going off when I look at that graph.

The gunshot rate could also mean self defense when attacked. So the victim is actually the criminal.

[N_Fiddledog]

ASLplease ASLplease:

My graph has more integrity because there are way too many factors that are different with a data set that includes other countries....things like different laws, different economic structures, different social programs and standards of living.

Perhaps, if the data was correct, but just going by BC it appears to suggest 1 out of every 4 households in BC has a gun. I know enough people in BC to proclaim that nonsense.

The date on the graph says 2008. That makes whatever "gun death rate" is supposed to signify impossibly low in the comparison it suggests to other provinces. If the graph appeared in 2008 the data would have to be for 2007, or earlier. 6 people were killed in one gangster attack in BC in 2007. It seems to me there were many more that year. I know there were many more ganster shootings in 2008 and 2009. I question that graph on the grounds what it appears to suggest is impossible.

Here's what I know for a fact concerning BC, and I don't even need a graph. They passed some Mickey Mouse law requiring me to register my Moose hunting rifle. I wasn't hunting any more so I couldn't be bothered. I just turned the gun in at the police station. The next thing I knew it seemed like every time I picked up a newspaper I was reading about somebody being shot and killed nearby. I kick my ass still for turning that rifle in. The bad guys have guns now, and I don't.

[uwish]

The same stats are available for Florida as well, they have also seen a marked decline in murders and violent crime. It also 'happens' to coincide the very same year as their CCW laws were enacted.

[DVC185]

What the hell...got this in an email today. I'll add it to the discussion for a little humour.

Hilarious post on Craig's List .


Posted to Craig's List Personals:

To the Guy Who Tried to Mug Me in Downtown Savannah night before last.
Date: 2009-03-23, 3:43AM EST

I was the guy with the black Burberry jacket that you demanded I hand over, shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings.

I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like to apologize. I didn't expect you to crap in your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that
evening,and it wasn't that cold outside.

You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber Model 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh?

It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it? I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cell phone, and wallet with me. I
couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again.

I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself and four other people in the gas station this morning a tank full of gas on your credit card. The guy with the big motor home took 150 gallons and was extremely grateful! I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet.

I threw the wallet in a fancy pink "pimp mobile" parked at the curb after I broke the windshield and side window out and keyed the drivers side. I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell phone. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones. Ma Bell just shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service.

I could only get in two threatening phone calls to the DA's office and one to the FBI with it. The FBI guy
was really pissed and we had a long chat (I guess while he traced the number).

I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky ....

- Alex


P.S. Remember this motto...... an armed society is a polite society!