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DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Prof. Kazmi’s theory based on thorough research has been seconded by the renowned British Scientist Dr Stephen Hawking, who advised developed nations while addressing a press briefing in London in 2006 that “they should, within the next 50 years select a suitable planet or star for settlement of the next human race."

Way to misquote Dr. Hawking! He wasn't referring to Global Warming at all.

He was talking about natural disasters, like comets or abnormal solar cycles.

Allmost all these articles twist words around to suit them,I cant believe they get posted as serious news,there should be a foiler or fearmongerer sub forum that they should all go in untill proven not to be mostly B.S.

Maybe even a disclaimer that says "opinion" like they do with the politics and blogs on here.

[jason700]

How is posting quotes by a bunch of crazy people back in the '70s proof that global warming is false? These people were experts on what? Just wondering.

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jason700 jason700:

How is posting quotes by a bunch of crazy people back in the '70s proof that global warming is false? These people were experts on what? Just wondering.

Think of how long that list of quotes will be in 100 years when the rest of these stupid predictions dont pan out.

Im just saying its pure fearmongering but thats what some folks do for a living so ya gotta keep that funding coming right?
I never said global warming is false,I work with rock and geology so the evidence is kinda laid out for me on what happened the last few 100 million years.
Dont worry dude,we got more then a few hundred years left.

[N_Fiddledog]

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." ~ H.L. Mencken

[N_Fiddledog]

jason700 jason700:

How is posting quotes by a bunch of crazy people back in the '70s proof that global warming is false? These people were experts on what? Just wondering.

Want some more current quotes Jason? Try these...

"I am a skeptic. Global warming has become a new religion."
-- Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

"Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly. As a scientist I remain skeptical."
-- Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA. Author of more than 190 studies, described as "among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years."

"Warming fears are the worst scientific scandal in the history. When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists."
-- UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

"The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others. It doesn't have open minds. I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,"
-- Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University, board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

"The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity."
-- Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, researcher at the Institute of Geophysics, National Autonomous University of Mexico

"It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming."
-- U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division, NOAA.

"Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will."
-- Geoffrey G. Duffy, professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering, University of Auckland, NZ.

"After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet."
-- Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, a specialist in forecast evaluation, member of the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee, Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

"For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?"
-- Geologist Dr. David Gee, chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress, author of over 130 peer reviewed papers, currently at Uppsala University, Sweden.

"Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp. Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact."
-- Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic. Former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

"Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined."
-- Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

"Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense. The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning."
-- Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, author of more than 150 published articles.

"CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another. Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so. Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot."
-- Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University, Japan.

"The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds."
-- Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

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Good find

[bootlegga]

ziggy ziggy:

Wow! straight from Karachi,a theory from a single proffessor,this is why I really think we need a forum for serious global problems and one for climate fearmongering which this article clearly is,unless CKA is becoming one of these forums which push's the fearmongering agenda.

It is already.

RR and Ryan29 push their hatred of the Liberal party (and left wing policies) on a near daily basis, while Streaker and others refute them. Same goes for things like gun control, health care (public or private), abortion, religion, and pretty much every contentious issue.

[xerxes]

Here's a trend that's eminently provable to all.

EVERY time there is a climate change thread here on CKA, the same 3 posters spam the thread to death with the same 30 year old quotes and it turns into a 3 man circle jerk.

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xerxes xerxes:

Here's a trend that's eminently provable to all.

EVERY time there is a climate change thread here on CKA, the same 3 posters spam the thread to death with the same 30 year old quotes and it turns into a 3 man circle jerk.

Maybe if the same BS topics about how so called "experts" saying the earth is gonna end werent posted as serious topics then I would take it more seriously.

Hard to tell the shite from shinola these days.

[Chumley]

bootlegga bootlegga:

ziggy ziggy:

Wow! straight from Karachi,a theory from a single proffessor,this is why I really think we need a forum for serious global problems and one for climate fearmongering which this article clearly is,unless CKA is becoming one of these forums which push's the fearmongering agenda.

It is already.

RR and Ryan29 push their hatred of the Liberal party (and left wing policies) on a near daily basis, while Streaker and others push thier own hatred of the conservatives and right wing policies. Same goes for things like gun control, health care (public or private), abortion, religion, and pretty much every contentious issue.

Fixed that for ya.

[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

Here's a trend that's eminently provable to all.

EVERY time there is a climate change thread here on CKA, the same 3 posters spam the thread to death with the same 30 year old quotes and it turns into a 3 man circle jerk.

That has some truth buried in the hyperbole there, Xerxes, as a lot of opinions do. It also could be applied to a lot of the issues which appear in recurring threads here at CKA. But from one proud circle jerker on this particular issue to the other, who posted the original opinion piece as news, here's another opinion piece in reply to it...

$1:

Slippery Green Words

by Alan Caruba

Every so often The New York Times slips up and lets some truth appear on its hallowed and vastly over-rated pages.

Such was the case on May 2nd when reporter John M. Broder wrote “Seeking to Save the Planet, With a Thesaurus.” As he put it in the first sentence, “The problem with global warming, some environmentalists believe, is ‘global warming.’” This is a very real problem, especially when the word is getting out that the planet has been cooling for a decade.

The problem worsens for them as word leaks that the ice at the North Pole is a lot thicker than earlier suspected—something that does not happen if it’s supposed to be melting. And the same holds for the South Pole whose ice is growing, along with many of the world’s glaciers.

Having spent the past twenty years or so blaming “global warming” for everything happening on Earth, the public has grown tired of the endless blather about it. Since it has provided much of the funding that Green organizations have pulled in from the gullible, not to mention from millions in government grants to study something that is not happening, the time has come to “re-brand” global warming into something that will still generate the money these charlatans depend upon.

Broder had laid hands on a memorandum by ecoAmerica, “a nonprofit environmental marketing and messaging firm in Washington.” To rephrase that, ecoAmerica is no different from any Madison Avenue advertising or public relations firm whose job is to get you to buy or believe something.

When you have a lemon, make lemonade, and global warming is rapidly becoming a lemon. So the folks at ecoAmerica advise the Greens to avoid grim warnings about global warming and talk about “our deteriorating atmosphere.”

This has been tried. Remember the Ozone Layer that was supposed to be disappearing? It didn’t. It hasn’t. It won’t. Meanwhile you and everyone else has lost access to Freon, the miracle chemical that was vital to refrigeration as well as one of the best fire extinguishers ever invented. Those holes? They tended to show up over active volcanoes!

The atmosphere is not deteriorating. It hasn’t deteriorated for more than 4.5 billion years, permitting Earth to be the only planet in our solar system capable of sustaining life.

EcoAmerica went on to recommend moving away from discussing carbon dioxide (CO2) in favor of telling lies about “the dirty fuels of the past.” Well, those “dirty fuels” are not in the past. They are responsible for all of the energy we use every day and, if you don’t like electricity and don’t want to drive or fuel anything, you better learn to like oil, natural gas, and coal.

Nuclear energy is nice too, but the Obama administration has just made it impossible to store nuclear waste in the multi-million dollar facility at Yukka Mountain in Nevada. Why? There is no good answer except to note this is the most anti-energy administration since the days of Jimmy Carter.

EcoAmerica doesn’t want to “confuse” the public about “cap and trade” legislation that would run up the cost of energy for everyone by thousands of dollars a year. Instead, they recommend that Greens talk about “cap and cash back” or “pollution reduction refund.”

Having apparently concluded that the Greens have been lying to them for years, all the polls and surveys reveal that “Environmental issues consistently rate near the bottom of public worry, according to many public opinion polls.

Indeed, ecoAmerica suggests that Greens stop using the word “environment” and begin talking about “the air we breathe, the water our children drink.”

The problem with that is that the air in America is as clean as humanly possible to achieve and the water is the safest on Earth to drink.

The truth means nothing to the Greens. Their game is all about power over everyone’s lives and the means to drain every dollar they can from the government and from gullible people who buy products whose prices have been jacked up by claiming it is environmentally friendly in some fashion.

They have spent several decades indoctrinating and frightening the newest generations of Americans in the nation’s schools and via the print and broadcast media.

These people are utterly contemptible.

http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/200 ... words.html

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Some people lap this kind of propaganda up as fact and thats what sticks in my craw.
The fearmongering like this just deflects away from REAL environmental issues,ones we can actually do something about.

I saw first hand what this type of propaganda can do to people,4 years ago the Innuit were told repeatedly that their environment was the most important in the world,it was melting and the end of the world is near if somethings not done.Now last year when they started cutting quota's on polars and other animals they say "woah woah woah!!!Back it right up! it's not that bad here people".

They of all people should know whats happening in their land and they do.
Now that the peeps who have probably never left the city are affecting their traditional way of life they have taken up civil protests,they still get their quota but it's because of "defensive" killings now.

It's just coincidence that the rest of the villagers are there with skinning knives when the "attack" occurs.

[danimal]

Lemmy Lemmy:

2 centuries? I only need about 30 years. I couldn't really give a shit about what happens in 200 years. In about 3 billion years, the moon will have moved far enough away from earth to de-stabilize the Earth's rotation. The planet will wobble and all life on Earth will be destroyed. If we somehow avoid that fate, in about 5 billion years the sun will expand and become a red giant, destroying Earth anyway. It's a zero sum game whether it takes 200 years or 200 billion. The Earth's existence represents a micro-second in cosmic time anyway.

Couldn't have said it any better myself, well played sir!

[ridenrain]

bootlegga bootlegga:

ziggy ziggy:

Wow! straight from Karachi,a theory from a single proffessor,this is why I really think we need a forum for serious global problems and one for climate fearmongering which this article clearly is,unless CKA is becoming one of these forums which push's the fearmongering agenda.

It is already.

RR and Ryan29 push their hatred of the Liberal party (and left wing policies) on a near daily basis, while Streaker and others refute them. Same goes for things like gun control, health care (public or private), abortion, religion, and pretty much every contentious issue.

Try to stay on topic there. Unless you want to do a Derby and connect global warming, gun control, crack and personal freedoms.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

bootlegga bootlegga:

ziggy ziggy:

Wow! straight from Karachi,a theory from a single proffessor,this is why I really think we need a forum for serious global problems and one for climate fearmongering which this article clearly is,unless CKA is becoming one of these forums which push's the fearmongering agenda.

It is already.

RR and Ryan29 push their hatred of the Liberal party (and left wing policies) on a near daily basis, while Streaker and others refute them. Same goes for things like gun control, health care (public or private), abortion, religion, and pretty much every contentious issue.

Try to stay on topic there. Unless you want to do a Derby and connect global warming, gun control, crack and personal freedoms.

Stay on topic? Please, you're the master of bait and switch...