[westmanguy]

I went to the Conservative Convention in November and voted in a variety of policy resolutions.

Did you go to any such measures to participate in your party DerbyX?

[DerbyX]

Yes I do. Not only do I contribute financially I post on the forum for Liberal members, a forum that helps them determine their policies.

Actually last week I had to decline an invitation to a dinner with Andrew Kania because I'm asleep at that time.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

You didn't go to the convention? Why not?
.. oh yeahhh.. nothing important was done.

I'm sure you attend CPC functions also.

BTW, as a card carrying Liberal I do actually have a voice. In addition I also have a vote.

Not that your opinion matters. Worry about your own party.

Only now it does. Untill now, if you didn't go to the conventions, you'd only have a say with you're riding association leadership. Considering most of the conventions were out east and this first western convetion was so poorly attended, it's easy to see that the hole in western representation.

You sould have gone though because I doubt it will ever be closer to you than this was.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

You didn't go to the convention? Why not?
.. oh yeahhh.. nothing important was done.

I'm sure you attend CPC functions also.

BTW, as a card carrying Liberal I do actually have a voice. In addition I also have a vote.

Not that your opinion matters. Worry about your own party.

Only now it does. Until now, if you didn't go to the conventions, you'd only have a say with your riding association leadership. Considering most of the conventions were out east and this first western convetion was so poorly attended, it's easy to see that the hole in western representation.

You should have gone though because I doubt it will ever be closer to you than this was.

Fixed your spelling errors for you. Never call me a drunk again over typos lest ye be judged likewise.

Regardless, your opinion about Liberal party policies is irrelevant. You supported and voted for the reform party (that alone taints you), a party founded on backstabbing and rule breaking and the complete ignorance of democracy.

[westmanguy]

I just creeped the Liberal Forum site...you're not by chance Westerner are you DerbyX?

[DerbyX]

Nope. I'm not sure what forum you are on. It might not be the one I'm talking about as this one is for party members.

I'm going to go out on a thick tree branch and say that "westerner" posts anti-CPC posts.

[westmanguy]

No, I'm here:

http://policy.liberal.ca/en/forums/t/3121.aspx

The guy is a right wing Liberal from the posts I read, and writes against the gun registry, so I thought it was possibly you.

I know you're a partisan hack, but you seem more of a pragmatic centrist/centre-right Liberal from your views on certain subjects.

[DerbyX]

Partisan hack eh? When I hold the CPC to a different set of standards I do the Liberals then you can call me that. Until then I'm an issue oriented voter who finds the Liberals to be the best balance.

What would you describe yourself as? More then most you seem inexplicably bound by conservative POVs that are just plain wrong.

[DerbyX]

And actually thats not the forum I am referring to. Mine is one for actively contributing members like all the other parties have.

[westmanguy]

For crying out loud.

I'm a socially liberal libertarian. I believe in a secular, live and let live society, that prides itself in tolerance and diversity. Then on the other side of the coin, I believe in the power of the free market and that jobs and economic prosperity has a direct correlation to low taxes and limited regulation. I believe government should be small and decentralized to the provinces and that the services the government does run are done so cost efficiently. Finally, I believe in a strong military to defend our national interests (particular in the Arctic).

I have my own mind, and when it comes to the options out there, I identify with the Conservatives. They have their socially conservative elements (amongst a segment of the Western grassroots), but the leadership and policy makers have proven to completely shy away from any contentious social issues because they know social conservatism is unelectable.

I'm not happy the Conservatives are adopting Keynesian economics to fight this recession and plunging us into $64 Billion dollar deficit over the next 2 years. I'm glad they are reducing taxes, but I'm unhappy they're not slashing the size of government to keep us in surplus to pay down the debt. Then I do realize they have a *minority* mandate and can't follow their entire ideological agenda because they'd be defeated by the opposition so its a game of give and take.

So don't call me a partisan hack. You're the one calling people 'tainted' by being former Reform Party members and saying that conservative ideology is 'plain wrong'.

We can disagree DerbyX, but the reason I call you a partisan hack is you emulate the Liberal stereotype of arrogance and elitism. You think your Liberal of this country is the only vision, and that everyone else is wrong. That's arrogance to the highest degree.

I can respect progressive economics, socialism, and the people who hold those views. I don't believe its the right way to lead our country forward into prosperity, but I have enough common decency to at least respect that side of the political spectrum. You despise all the tenants of conservatism.

[mtbr]

[ShepherdsDog]

I worry about people who identify to closely with political parties. When they start talking about how 'we' did this or 'we' did that, alarm bells go off. Usually the ones on the Cuckoo Clock. These fanatics are the dangerous ones. Unless you are an actual member of the caucus, you did SFA.

[DerbyX]

westmanguy westmanguy:

For crying out loud.

I'm a socially liberal libertarian. I believe in a secular, live and let live society, that prides itself in tolerance and diversity. Then on the other side of the coin, I believe in the power of the free market and that jobs and economic prosperity has a direct correlation to low taxes and limited regulation. I believe government should be small and decentralized to the provinces and that the services the government does run are done so cost efficiently. Finally, I believe in a strong military to defend our national interests (particular in the Arctic).

Actually you don't. Socially liberal and/or libertarian implies great freedom of the individual. Your stance on abortion disqualifies you for that. Thats a watermark belief in that its a very personal freedom and libertarians are all about that personal freedom. Social Liberals as well.

westmanguy westmanguy:

I have my own mind, and when it comes to the options out there, I identify with the Conservatives. They have their socially conservative elements (amongst a segment of the Western grassroots), but the leadership and policy makers have proven to completely shy away from any contentious social issues because they know social conservatism is unelectable.

We all have our own mind. Thats a moot point. The CPC is only socially liberal as far as it will get them elected. I believe they have every intention of using a majority status to install anti-abortion and anti-SSM bills into law, a move that would be applauded by card carrying conservatives.

Given Harpers record of backtracking on promises I have no reason to trust him and given his polling numbers neither do the bulk of Canadians.

westmanguy westmanguy:

I'm not happy the Conservatives are adopting Keynesian economics to fight this recession and plunging us into $64 Billion dollar deficit over the next 2 years. I'm glad they are reducing taxes, but I'm unhappy they're not slashing the size of government to keep us in surplus to pay down the debt. Then I do realize they have a *minority* mandate and can't follow their entire ideological agenda because they'd be defeated by the opposition so its a game of give and take.

Yet when we Liberals aren't happy with a particular agenda such as the gun registry we are called hypocrites and hacks for not immediately turning on our party.

No, Harper is plunging us into debt because he wants votes. He spent all of 2008 crowing about running a defacto majority government so he can't complain about being hamstrung.

As for reducing taxes. You don't pay any. I paid almost 15 thousand this year and I don't bitch about taxes. I paid higher amounts living in England and Australia. Too many Canadians don't understand the connection between taxes and services and cons wanting greater defence spending shouldn't be pushing for lower taxes.

westmanguy westmanguy:

So don't call me a partisan hack. You're the one calling people 'tainted' by being former Reform Party members and saying that conservative ideology is 'plain wrong'.

The reformers were a tainted party and were a racist party. Hell I even posted about Harper going out of his way to rid the reformers/alliance party of said racists.

As for the conservative ideology being wrong. IT IS. The anti-abortion, anti-SSM, socially conservative ideology they espouse is wrong. Period.

westmanguy westmanguy:

We can disagree DerbyX, but the reason I call you a partisan hack is you emulate the Liberal stereotype of arrogance and elitism. You think your Liberal of this country is the only vision, and that everyone else is wrong. That's arrogance to the highest degree.

You are too new to remember a time when I posted about how the Liberals and CPC should work together in order to represent the greatest number of Canadians. You don't know I held that belief even in the face of constant insults be the card carrying cons on here.

Far from thinking the Liberal vision is the only one. I respect the NDP vision and the Green vision.

I don't respect the CPC vision. Big difference.

westmanguy westmanguy:

I can respect progressive economics, socialism, and the people who hold those views. I don't believe its the right way to lead our country forward into prosperity, but I have enough common decency to at least respect that side of the political spectrum. You despise all the tenants of conservatism.

I don't think you do. I don't think you have studied or understand any economical model at all. Its not an insult just a fact. High school students don't do that.

I despise the social aspects of conservatism. Its just plain wrong. fiscally is another matter.

[Kerozine]

westmanguy westmanguy:

[...]
I'm unhappy they're not slashing the size of government to keep us in surplus to pay down the debt
[...]

What are you proposing to be slashed?

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

westmanguy westmanguy:

For crying out loud.

I'm a socially liberal libertarian. I believe in a secular, live and let live society, that prides itself in tolerance and diversity. Then on the other side of the coin, I believe in the power of the free market and that jobs and economic prosperity has a direct correlation to low taxes and limited regulation. I believe government should be small and decentralized to the provinces and that the services the government does run are done so cost efficiently. Finally, I believe in a strong military to defend our national interests (particular in the Arctic).

Actually you don't. Socially liberal and/or libertarian implies great freedom of the individual. Your stance on abortion disqualifies you for that. Thats a watermark belief in that its a very personal freedom and libertarians are all about that personal freedom. Social Liberals as well.

westmanguy westmanguy:

I have my own mind, and when it comes to the options out there, I identify with the Conservatives. They have their socially conservative elements (amongst a segment of the Western grassroots), but the leadership and policy makers have proven to completely shy away from any contentious social issues because they know social conservatism is unelectable.

We all have our own mind. Thats a moot point. The CPC is only socially liberal as far as it will get them elected. I believe they have every intention of using a majority status to install anti-abortion and anti-SSM bills into law, a move that would be applauded by card carrying conservatives.

Given Harpers record of backtracking on promises I have no reason to trust him and given his polling numbers neither do the bulk of Canadians.

westmanguy westmanguy:

I'm not happy the Conservatives are adopting Keynesian economics to fight this recession and plunging us into $64 Billion dollar deficit over the next 2 years. I'm glad they are reducing taxes, but I'm unhappy they're not slashing the size of government to keep us in surplus to pay down the debt. Then I do realize they have a *minority* mandate and can't follow their entire ideological agenda because they'd be defeated by the opposition so its a game of give and take.

Yet when we Liberals aren't happy with a particular agenda such as the gun registry we are called hypocrites and hacks for not immediately turning on our party.

No, Harper is plunging us into debt because he wants votes. He spent all of 2008 crowing about running a defacto majority government so he can't complain about being hamstrung.

As for reducing taxes. You don't pay any. I paid almost 15 thousand this year and I don't bitch about taxes. I paid higher amounts living in England and Australia. Too many Canadians don't understand the connection between taxes and services and cons wanting greater defence spending shouldn't be pushing for lower taxes.

westmanguy westmanguy:

So don't call me a partisan hack. You're the one calling people 'tainted' by being former Reform Party members and saying that conservative ideology is 'plain wrong'.

The reformers were a tainted party and were a racist party. Hell I even posted about Harper going out of his way to rid the reformers/alliance party of said racists.

As for the conservative ideology being wrong. IT IS. The anti-abortion, anti-SSM, socially conservative ideology they espouse is wrong. Period.

westmanguy westmanguy:

We can disagree DerbyX, but the reason I call you a partisan hack is you emulate the Liberal stereotype of arrogance and elitism. You think your Liberal of this country is the only vision, and that everyone else is wrong. That's arrogance to the highest degree.

You are too new to remember a time when I posted about how the Liberals and CPC should work together in order to represent the greatest number of Canadians. You don't know I held that belief even in the face of constant insults be the card carrying cons on here.

Far from thinking the Liberal vision is the only one. I respect the NDP vision and the Green vision.

I don't respect the CPC vision. Big difference.

westmanguy westmanguy:

I can respect progressive economics, socialism, and the people who hold those views. I don't believe its the right way to lead our country forward into prosperity, but I have enough common decency to at least respect that side of the political spectrum. You despise all the tenants of conservatism.

I don't think you do. I don't think you have studied or understand any economical model at all. Its not an insult just a fact. High school students don't do that.

I despise the social aspects of conservatism. Its just plain wrong. fiscally is another matter.

We need to archive that manefesto for the future.