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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:07 am
 


Eisensapper Eisensapper:
First off stop with the peacekeeper bullshit. Second show off Canadian military accomplishments, let Canadians have military heroes. Third make people want to be a Canadian soldier, get better ads for joining the forces, remove the stigma that as soon as your in your going to go and fight. Show that being in the military can be a lot of fun.


BINGO we have a winner

Canadians generally don't like heros. It isn't that they are not great, we just don't like one person being spotlighted.

One of the major reasons we also seem to stagger with this whole 'national identity' thing that continuously keeps cropping up. It isn't surprising, if you can't celebrate your history, your military accomplishments etc you are just destined to flutter in the wind.


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ridenrain ridenrain:

I think the first step is to go knock heads over at the CBC and get them to start telling Canadians the real story about what we're doing in Afghanistan.
Stop showing our troops as poor kids who couldn't get a real job and show them as the excellent all-volunteer force that they are.

You must get a different CBC from me. The one in Saskatchewan does not do this.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:59 am
 


Apparently RR has never watched CBC on/around Remembrance Day...or bothered to look at the CBC website under Canada's Military.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:13 pm
 


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I find it rather "sad" that a country as wealthy as ours can't sustain such a minor deployment (in the grand scheme of things 2,700 troops is not alot) without this kind of strain.

We need more soldiers. Scratch that we need a larger military period.


Minor troops for over how many years? This is a very long war thus costly war. When we first entered Afghanistan, our military was beyond belief such a crappy military. We were playing soldier in the desert still with our forest camo on. We hardly had anything unti'll harper arrived and transformed our military by more funding into what it is today. Fighting for this long, plus transforming our military into what it is today is no cheap effort.


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Apparently, both of you missed the CBC is AWOL in Afghanistan thread.

current-events-f59/cbc-awol-in-afghanistan-t72488.html

The CBC started reporting about Afghanistan only when the CPC took over and only when a Canadian dies.


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Eisensapper Eisensapper:
First off stop with the peacekeeper bullshit. Second show off Canadian military accomplishments, let Canadians have military heroes. Third make people want to be a Canadian soldier, get better ads for joining the forces, remove the stigma that as soon as your in your going to go and fight. Show that being in the military can be a lot of fun.


It can also be an incredible career move. One that could provide opportunities that some folks would never have otherwise.

You're correct about the misconceptions though. Most of the general population has a very misguided view of what our military actually does and what it means to be a soldier in this country. You should be in charge of recruiting. :lol:


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Minor troops for over how many years? This is a very long war thus costly war. When we first entered Afghanistan, our military was beyond belief such a crappy military. We were playing soldier in the desert still with our forest camo on. We hardly had anything unti'll harper arrived and transformed our military by more funding into what it is today. Fighting for this long, plus transforming our military into what it is today is no cheap effort.


The first bold I highlighted shows that you really have no clue about the Canadian Forces. :roll:

The second bold I highlighted shows you have no clue about government procurement. :roll:


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ridenrain ridenrain:
Apparently, both of you missed the CBC is AWOL in Afghanistan thread.

current-events-f59/cbc-awol-in-afghanistan-t72488.html

The CBC started reporting about Afghanistan only when the CPC took over and only when a Canadian dies.


Nope, I read it and tossed it in the trash with the rest of your hackery. Here take a look at a couple of these items on the CBC site, posted well BEFORE the CPC ever got into office;

Talking about Friendly Fire (2005)...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/friendlyfire/

A CBC blog written by one of those soldiers the CBC despises so much (2003)...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_storring/

All sorts of stories on Afghanistan (some are dead links now)...although if you went to one of those sites that catalog the Web, I'm sure you'd find copies with the original dates on them (2001).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/afgha ... eline.html

Nope, this, just like your CBC AWOL thread is nothing but pure RR hackery...


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Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Minor troops for over how many years? This is a very long war thus costly war. When we first entered Afghanistan, our military was beyond belief such a crappy military. We were playing soldier in the desert still with our forest camo on. We hardly had anything unti'll harper arrived and transformed our military by more funding into what it is today. Fighting for this long, plus transforming our military into what it is today is no cheap effort.


The first bold I highlighted shows that you really have no clue about the Canadian Forces. :roll:

The second bold I highlighted shows you have no clue about government procurement. :roll:


Well if you think so, maybe you should go researching about the CF before and during there first year of Afghanistan. They were a train wreck. They were playing in the desert with there forest camo. They had reports of the military sending some of the training weapons to Afghanistan because they were running short.

There was so much evidence and reports of the lack of equipment the CF had when they first entered. Since than we have had new armored vehicles, desert camo for every soldier. Everybody has good weapons with no short supply. We now got a air wing which means less IED casualties. The list goes on over the changes to the military over the years.

Pictures of our soldiers from the first year is proof enough of the situation they had of being ill-equiped.

Everything was a desert background, and there our soldiers were in our CADPAT Woodland camo standing out like a target. You could fucking see them like miles away.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:59 pm
 


The CBC does have good coverage on national events, like Canada day, remembrance day etc.

I give them credit for that, plus I 'used' to like their sports coverage.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:00 pm
 


Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
I find it rather "sad" that a country as wealthy as ours can't sustain such a minor deployment (in the grand scheme of things 2,700 troops is not alot) without this kind of strain.

We need more soldiers. Scratch that we need a larger military period.


Minor troops for over how many years? This is a very long war thus costly war. When we first entered Afghanistan, our military was beyond belief such a crappy military. We were playing soldier in the desert still with our forest camo on. We hardly had anything unti'll harper arrived and transformed our military by more funding into what it is today. Fighting for this long, plus transforming our military into what it is today is no cheap effort.


Sure Harper has done a fair bit.

But the job of rebuilding the Canadian military isn't anywhere close to being complete. Not by a long shot.


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Boot:
Are you including all the others that posted in that thread as hacks too?
Does that include the troops who were there?

While you're thinking about apologizing to either me or the others who posted, you might want to look over the numerous pages of criticism that Canadian forces people wrote over at Army.CA.


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While we're at it, you might want to consider apologizing to the folks over at The Torch too because they have the same viewpoint that was quite evident in both threads.

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A curse upon the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
Rarely have I felt such rage against Mother Corpse. Their major news broadcast, "The National", ran an almost twenty minute segment, Feb. 2, demonstrating, amazingly, that the Canadian Forces are actually engaged in combat in Afghanistan. And that combat is not nice. And that our soldiers are not engaged in "peacekeeping".

The video was in fact shot over two years ago, in July 2006, though one would be hard pressed to know that from the CBC story (17:32 into the, er, "report"--see here). News? Or an agenda? How is it that the CBC just now discovered the video?

The piece was broadcast on February 2, a winter's day in most of Canada (though relatively mild in Ottawa). But at 13:21 into the video they have an interview, clearly done in an earlier, much warmer season, with Eugene Lang, a Liberal chief of staff to two national defence ministers, who says: "...if we don't have the stomach for the bad news then we shouldn't be there, in my view..."

Yet the Liberals sent the Canadian Forces to Kandahar. And even, to their then credit, tried to warn us that we would be in a war. And now the Corpse finds time, amazingly, to find a Liberal who wonders that we are in fact at war?

Upchuck to the max. Be Boy Scouts. Be prepared. Except to fight. Not that things are necessarily developing as one might wish--though fighting a war usually is not exactly a simple matter.

Update: A comment at Army.ca that well puts why I was so upset:

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The video is great - too bad for the CBC and the photojournalist Mr. Scott (as if we need to do this lastname shtick) are so inept with their anti-war insights. Get a writer for your anti war diatribe - what ever you do you should be excellent in it - unfortunately it sits on the fence and falls off.


When I watched this, I absolutely noticed the spin that the CBC reporter put on it. I did not however pick up any anti-war drivel from Mr. Kesterson. So as the responses came on here, I had to go back to listen to it again. Still picked up on the disgusting amount of an agenda that the reporter put into it (I'm not convinced that it was the CBC as much as Mark Kelly individually), but I still didn't pick up much of an anti-war feel from Kesterson. He had words put into his mouth by the narrator non-stop, but when you listen to what he said personally, not what Mark Kelly said he thinks, or wants, or believes... he's just talking.

"This is an individual who is coming towards them with a knife. He's a threat, there is a fear that he may be a suicide bomber. They have an interpreter telling the man to 'Stop, put the knife down.' And the man keeps coming. Another warning shot is fired. " - Scott Kesterson

When talking about the same incident, here's how the reporter put it.

But is he the enemy? In Afghanistan, it's not always clear whose on your side. ... The Afghan did die. There. Where he was shot, and in the end there was no evidence that he was a suicide bomber, or that he understood the interpreter.

Really, the only thing that Kesterson said that bothered me at all, was when he was telling Mark Kelly that Canadians don't know that it's a war, and that we think it is peacekeeping. Aside from that, I found he was very balanced.

I found the amount of a personal agenda put into this by Kelly to be nothing short of shameful. Even compared to what the CBC usually spits out towards Afghanistan.

Asking the veteran if he 'killed a Taliban?'

Good God, buddy. All I can picture is a mountie going to a Kintergarden class and being asked umpteen million questions along the lines of "Have you ever shot anyone? Have you ever used your beater-uper stick?"

Oddball


http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.c ... sting.html


Here's the ARMY.CA thread on the topic:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/ ... #msg808232


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:26 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
Boot:
Are you including all the others that posted in that thread as hacks too?
Does that include the troops who were there?

While you're thinking about apologizing to either me or the others who posted, you might want to look over the numerous pages of criticism that Canadian forces people wrote over at Army.CA.


I never said the CBC was the be all end all source on Afghanistan, or that other posters here were wrong, or even contested what anyone at Army.ca said. I only took issue with your bullshit post;

ridenrain ridenrain:
The CBC started reporting about Afghanistan only when the CPC took over and only when a Canadian dies.


Had you just said they sucked like Eisensapper (or anyone else here), I wouldn't care. You are entitled to your opinion, whether or not I agree with it. But your constant lying, dodging, bullshit, and hypocrisy is just pathetic.

You tried to bullshit and got nailed, just admit it already...


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