[mtbr]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

He hasn't even done anything yet has he?

He killed the coalition and he made rational, reasonable conditions for passage of the budget.

I thought this thread was about Iggy not Harper?

[RUEZ]

mtbr mtbr:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

He hasn't even done anything yet has he?

He killed the coalition and he made rational, reasonable conditions for passage of the budget.

I thought this thread was about Iggy not Harper?

Oh snap.

[ridenrain]

$1:

An abbreviated list of just a few of the things that happened in those 27 years and during which Michael Ignatieff was absent from Canada:

for the shooting at École Polytechnique in Montreal, the crimes of Robert Pickton, Clifford Olsen, Paul Bernardo and his wife Karla Homolka.

during the tainted blood scandal.

when all of the disagreements and constitutional battles that have shaped our country were fought including when our constitution was repatriated, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms adopted, and during the fight over the Meech Lake Accord.

during the creation of Nunavut.

when the Free Trade agreement was passed.

during the Quebec referendums in both 1980 and 1995.

during First Gulf War.

when "Oh Canada" became our official national anthem.

for the softwood lumber dispute.

for the tenure of Brian Mulroney,Kim Campbell, John Turner, Jean Chretien, and he missed out on seeing firsthand what his former roommate Bob Rae did while he was the Premier of Ontario, as well as what happened in the politics in all of the Provinces from 1978-2005!

for Terry Fox's incredible and inspiring run.

during the Oka crisis, the Ipperwash incident, the Air India disaster.....

for 27 years of sports, music and culture that took place in this country.

when the GST was introduced and so hotly debated.

while our soldiers were active in United Nations peacekeeping missions in Western Sahara, Cambodia, the former Yugoslavia, Haiti, East Timor and Sierra Leone and during the US-led humanitarian mission to Somalia and the infamous Airborne regiments disgrace there.

while Ambassador Ken Taylor risked his life rescuing Americans from Iran.

for the passage of the Young Offenders Act.

when the first Canadian entered space.

during the National Energy Program.

for countless natural disasters including ice storms, floods and tornadoes.

when the population of Canada increased from 23,963,967 in 1978 to 32,623,490 in 2005.

when both the "loonie" and "toonie" were introduced as currency.

and on and on and on ...

So glad he could manage the time to be appointed to rule us.

[hurley_108]

ridenrain ridenrain:

$1:

An abbreviated list of just a few of the things that happened in those 27 years and during which Michael Ignatieff was absent from Canada:

for the shooting at École Polytechnique in Montreal, the crimes of Robert Pickton, Clifford Olsen, Paul Bernardo and his wife Karla Homolka.

during the tainted blood scandal.

when all of the disagreements and constitutional battles that have shaped our country were fought including when our constitution was repatriated, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms adopted, and during the fight over the Meech Lake Accord.

during the creation of Nunavut.

when the Free Trade agreement was passed.

during the Quebec referendums in both 1980 and 1995.

during First Gulf War.

when "Oh Canada" became our official national anthem.

for the softwood lumber dispute.

for the tenure of Brian Mulroney,Kim Campbell, John Turner, Jean Chretien, and he missed out on seeing firsthand what his former roommate Bob Rae did while he was the Premier of Ontario, as well as what happened in the politics in all of the Provinces from 1978-2005!

for Terry Fox's incredible and inspiring run.

during the Oka crisis, the Ipperwash incident, the Air India disaster.....

for 27 years of sports, music and culture that took place in this country.

when the GST was introduced and so hotly debated.

while our soldiers were active in United Nations peacekeeping missions in Western Sahara, Cambodia, the former Yugoslavia, Haiti, East Timor and Sierra Leone and during the US-led humanitarian mission to Somalia and the infamous Airborne regiments disgrace there.

while Ambassador Ken Taylor risked his life rescuing Americans from Iran.

for the passage of the Young Offenders Act.

when the first Canadian entered space.

during the National Energy Program.

for countless natural disasters including ice storms, floods and tornadoes.

when the population of Canada increased from 23,963,967 in 1978 to 32,623,490 in 2005.

when both the "loonie" and "toonie" were introduced as currency.

and on and on and on ...

So glad he could manage the time to be appointed to rule us.

Aww, did that get no traction in your little private forum so you decided to take it out where it can be commented on by all? Lame.

[ridenrain]

I put it in there so you couldn't get traction on it.
This way I can yank out parts when convienient.

But you read it before so you're familiar with it and you obviously don't deny any of it.

[Bibbi]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

He hasn't even done anything yet has he?

He killed the coalition and he made rational, reasonable conditions for passage of the budget.

Yes, Ignatieff killed the coalition but whether that was smart or stupid, depends on whether you are red or blue. The "reasonable" conditions are reasonable if the role of the Opposition is to support the government rather than oppose it.

So, it could be said that what Ignatieff did was "rational and reasonable" to a progressive Conservative but less so to a progressive Liberal. I think also that fiscal conservatives in both parties would have liked to see a tighter more focused, controlled, bang for buck approach to the package.

[hurley_108]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I put it in there so you couldn't get traction on it.
This way I can yank out parts when convienient.

But you read it before so you're familiar with it and you obviously don't deny any of it.

What's to deny? So he wasn't here. Hell, I wasn't even alive for some of it, and not conscious / cognizant of what was going on for most of it.

Some of it is utterly trivial, like the loonie and toonie.

Some of it is an asset - like being completely and utterly separated from the NEP, and sponsorship scandal (ah wait, that wasn't even on there, guess the hack of an author can't even remember everything himself). Weren't you one of those decrying the choice of Dion as being too close to the old, corrupt Chretien/Martin crowd? Well here's a guy who couldn't BE more separated from it all. Isn't that a good thing?

He's an intelligent guy. I'm sure he's familiar with it all, definitely more so than me, and probably more so than you. I see he wrote a book about separatism in 1994, which at least from the description discusses Quebec, but it also looks at a lot of other places. That's probably a much broader perspective than many who have lived here their whole lives have.

But ultimately, this is just a cheap shot that makes an appeal to nothing more than nationalistic emotion. It does not make any case, even a laughably weak one, that he is unfit. All it does is list a bunch of stuff that happened between one date and another. It doesn't even bother to do it in chronological order.

[hurley_108]

Bibbi Bibbi:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

He hasn't even done anything yet has he?

He killed the coalition and he made rational, reasonable conditions for passage of the budget.

Yes, Ignatieff killed the coalition but whether that was smart or stupid, depends on whether you are red or blue. The "reasonable" conditions are reasonable if the role of the Opposition is to support the government rather than oppose it.

So, it could be said that what Ignatieff did was "rational and reasonable" to a progressive Conservative but less so to a progressive Liberal. I think also that fiscal conservatives in both parties would have liked to see a tighter more focused, controlled, bang for buck approach to the package.

The coalition's reliance on the Bloc was questionable from the start. It's just way too charged a topic. It had its use in castigating Harper back in November, but there hasn't been any time since the 2004 election where a Liberal / NDP coalition could have stood on its own, and being able to stand on its own is requisite.

It's not about the opposition opposing or propping up, it's about the opposition doing what's best for the country, and even a bad budget is better than no budget or a budget crafted without regard to their input / criticism as could happen post-election if the Conservatives won a majority.

[kenmore]

He is the best man for PM now... peek a boo harper is crap and jack just keeps on blowing smoke.. Iggy is calm, clean, clear and collected. not to mention repspected world wide and extremely qualified and educated. He will bring the libs back to power next election without question..un homme pendant ces mauvais moments

[ridenrain]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

ridenrain ridenrain:

I put it in there so you couldn't get traction on it.
This way I can yank out parts when convienient.

But you read it before so you're familiar with it and you obviously don't deny any of it.

What's to deny? So he wasn't here. Hell, I wasn't even alive for some of it, and not conscious / cognizant of what was going on for most of it.

.. but he signed it.

[hurley_108]

ridenrain ridenrain:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

ridenrain ridenrain:

I put it in there so you couldn't get traction on it.
This way I can yank out parts when convienient.

But you read it before so you're familiar with it and you obviously don't deny any of it.

What's to deny? So he wasn't here. Hell, I wasn't even alive for some of it, and not conscious / cognizant of what was going on for most of it.

.. but he signed it.

WTF are you blathering about now? Signed what? That thing about supporting the coalition? Talk about a non sequitur.

[Zipperfish]

AS well he should have signed it. It certainly had the desired effect on teh Conservatvies. They came into line after that, and Harper ruined his chance of ever getting a majority in Canada with his hissy fit against the "socialists and separatists."

Iggy does make a good impression, but then again, the new kid in town always does. I think Iggy has to some leadership internally--inside teh Liberal party--right now. They are fractured, broke and lacking discipline.

[ridenrain]

The effect of the coalition did make them pry open the bank a lot more than I's like but then, I thought you folks liked that?
As bad as that might have been, it also galvanized Canadians against the coalition and it's underhanded dealings. The underhanded scheming of Jack and Dion is political gold and as good as a hundred "do-overs".

I've been clear that I like Iggy but I can't see him as a Liberal, at least where the Liberals are now. He's far to right wing and I predict his appointment is just going to grind with folks.
I'm also enjoying watching his media-hack, Kinsella self destruct.

[sandorski]

Liberal Majority coming up. Will be nice to get back to Majority after all this.

[ridenrain]

Since he's been an American longer than he's been a Canadian, I guess Iggy will be going back to teaching if the PM-gig dosen't play out.
Lol. How are you Liberals going to pick a leader this time?
Election = Dion
Insider Appointment = Iggy

How about a CBC reality show?