[hurley_108]

Proculation Proculation:

When you are in personal financial crisis, you are the kind of guy to get more credit and put yourself more into the red hole?

Government finances should not be thought of as personal finances. In fact, they should be thought of as the exact opposite. Governments should be frugal in times of plenty, saving, and maintaining service, and should be generous and spendy in rough times. That way they moderate, not exacerbate, the economic state, whatever it is.

[hurley_108]

ridenrain ridenrain:

What's the alternatives? Take a hard line and stand the chance of being replaced by the goat rodeo coalition?

You you support selling out priciples in the name of political expediency.

[bootlegga]

Proculation Proculation:

How come tax cuts are bad ? It's true that government is MUCH better to administrate your money...

Tax cuts are fine, if spending doesn't also increase. Harper's mistake was trying to please everyone, tax cuts for Conservatives and spending for Libs/NDP.

Proculation Proculation:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

spending increases are good, but any tax cuts are bad. i wonder how much less of a deficit we would have if taxes were maintained.

And how come putting ourselves in a deficit by increasing spending is good ?
When you are in personal financial crisis, you are the kind of guy to get more credit and put yourself more into the red hole?

Had Harper followed the Keynesian economic model he suddenly adopted, he would have had high taxes and debt repayment until the the election, followed by spending and tax cuts now to stimulate the economy. The problem is governments (both Liberal and Conservative) generally only follow half of the Keynesian model (spending during bad times) and refuse to save/cut spending during the good times.

Besides, I think CM is thinking more along the lines of, hey, maybe I should go get a haircut and new shoes for my interview, so I can land that job and avoid going deeper into the red hole.

[uwish]

Hurley I HAVE to hear your thoughts on your leaders little tantrum..

were you not one of the ones yelling and screaming how much of a control freak Harper was / is?

[hurley_108]

bootlegga bootlegga:

The problem is governments generally only follow half of the Keynesian model (spending during bad times) and refuse to save/cut spending during the good times.

If they ONLY did that, things would be better. What happens is they spend all the time! Ralphbucks, ring roads, interchanges in Alberta. GST cuts, income tax cuts, Harperbucks (child tax credit - the beer and popcorn money) for all of Canada. And all of it at the very height of the boom.

FOOLS!

[ridenrain]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

ridenrain ridenrain:

What's the alternatives? Take a hard line and stand the chance of being replaced by the goat rodeo coalition?

You you support selling out priciples in the name of political expediency.

Tell me one democratic politian who won't?
You were all bitching that Harper was an iron-fisted ideolog and now you bitch because he's willing to compromize.

... and youre telling me about convictions?

[hurley_108]

uwish uwish:

Hurley I HAVE to hear your thoughts on your leaders little tantrum..

were you not one of the ones yelling and screaming how much of a control freak Harper was / is?

What are you talking about? Layton's little hissy fit, or Iggy cracking the whip?

[hurley_108]

ridenrain ridenrain:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

ridenrain ridenrain:

What's the alternatives? Take a hard line and stand the chance of being replaced by the goat rodeo coalition?

You you support selling out priciples in the name of political expediency.

Tell me one democratic politian who won't?
You were all bitching that Harper was an iron-fisted ideolog and now you bitch because he's willing to compromize.

... and youre telling me about convictions?

Do you hear me bitching about Harper compromising? Show me where I've bitched that Harper compromised.

[Proculation]

ridenrain ridenrain:

What's the alternatives? Take a hard line and stand the chance of being replaced by the goat rodeo coalition? If we stay in power then the same whining artists and poverty pimps can rally their support and we get voted out before anything good can happen.
I'm against government interfering in business but the reality is that politics is all about compromise. Go tell you're riding associates or you're CPC candidates. If you paid to be a member, go tell them what you think and get you're money's worth.

I will continue to vote for them but they may not get my donation this year.

[bootlegga]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

bootlegga bootlegga:

The problem is governments generally only follow half of the Keynesian model (spending during bad times) and refuse to save/cut spending during the good times.

If they ONLY did that, things would be better. What happens is they spend all the time! Ralphbucks, ring roads, interchanges in Alberta. GST cuts, income tax cuts, Harperbucks (child tax credit - the beer and popcorn money) for all of Canada. And all of it at the very height of the boom.

FOOLS!

Hey, don't go trashing that ring road...it's fucking AWESOME!

I can get to the airport from Clareview in 25 minutes! Or South Edm Common in 15.

Hell, I can't wait until the northwest section is done, WEM in 20 minutes!

[ridenrain]

You asked if I "support selling out priciples in the name of political expediency".

I'm waiting for this democratic politician who refuses to compromise on his priciples.

[Bibbi]

Boy, Canadian Politics is becoming like a soap opera. I certainly did not expect that Harper would get more opposition from his own party than from the Liberals on the budget! I mean it is really an election budget with goodies and ideology mixed in together. Harper's gamble however is that an election will occur before the numbers come in that prove his stimulus package is not working. Of course, if Ignatieff keeps rubberstamping Conservative legislation then Harper may be in trouble, because there will not be an election and we will KNOW whether the stimulus package is successful or a disaster.

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Tell me one democratic politian who won't?
You were all bitching that Harper was an iron-fisted ideolog and now you bitch because he's willing to compromize.

... and youre telling me about convictions?

It's one of the best decisions Harper's made IMHO. Now all he has to do is fulfill his 3 heavy icebreaker promise.

I'm tired of voting in another minority. If they and the Liberals can get something done, then I'm all for it. Harper created this mess with his 'update' in November and hopefully, he learned a valuable lesson when he was forced to visit the GG.

All I want is some work done and the schoolyard bickering/bullying to end.

[Proculation]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Proculation Proculation:

When you are in personal financial crisis, you are the kind of guy to get more credit and put yourself more into the red hole?

Government finances should not be thought of as personal finances. In fact, they should be thought of as the exact opposite. Governments should be frugal in times of plenty, saving, and maintaining service, and should be generous and spendy in rough times. That way they moderate, not exacerbate, the economic state, whatever it is.

That's Maynard Keynes way of thinking. It has been proving quite wrong. At least, not the best way to improve economy.

[hurley_108]

bootlegga bootlegga:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

bootlegga bootlegga:

The problem is governments generally only follow half of the Keynesian model (spending during bad times) and refuse to save/cut spending during the good times.

If they ONLY did that, things would be better. What happens is they spend all the time! Ralphbucks, ring roads, interchanges in Alberta. GST cuts, income tax cuts, Harperbucks (child tax credit - the beer and popcorn money) for all of Canada. And all of it at the very height of the boom.

FOOLS!

Hey, don't go trashing that ring road...it's fucking AWESOME!

I can get to the airport from Clareview in 25 minutes! Or South Edm Common in 15.

Hell, I can't wait until the northwest section is done, WEM in 20 minutes!

Oh I love it too! Except that one stupid section between the Whitemud and the river on the west side where the limit yoyos between 70 and 90 about a dozen times. But they should have built it 15 years ago.