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Axeman 
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:35 pm
There are 4 reasons for sentencing: Punishment, Rehabilitation, Segregation and Deterence. Clearly, a 93 year old man doesn't need Rehab or Segregation for public safety. But sexual assault is a horrible, hurtful, violent crime and regardless the age of the crime or the perpetrator, a sentence needs to be imposed for punishment and for general deterence.
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:57 pm
ok, so a 93 year old man needs to go to jail, and a 42 year old native who left his kids in the boofuckinmiddle of nowhere in -30, killing them, just needs to be "sentenced by a circle" or instutionalized in a mental facility?
Christ, where did we go wrong?
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:26 am
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:28 am
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Axeman 
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:33 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada: The only point in jailing him now would be to make a point..
I believe he's sick... Terrible, evil, etc etc... But I believe it's useless.
Like making a chess move when you've kinda already won by default.
He could be dead tomorrow... Why waste tax payer money to hold a breathing corpse in a jail now? Age doesn't exempt you from punishment, I agree, but a line has to be drawn at when making messages becomes absolutely useless, silly, and stupid. Not stupid at all. There needs to be deterence. You don't want to send the message that, if you rape your daughter, you might get away with it if no one finds out for a long time and that's absolutely the wrong message to be sending. General deterence must an aim when sentencing, especially violent crimes.
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Brenda
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:04 am
Why do the daughters want to send a message its ok to come up with this after 50 freakin years? how was it proven anyway? Who was the judge? I dunno... it stinks...
They were kids when it supposedly happened... He cannot defend himself anymore... vague... very vague...
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:08 am
Brenda Brenda: Why do the daughters want to send a message its ok to come up with this after 50 freakin years? how was it proven anyway? Who was the judge? I dunno... it stinks...
They were kids when it supposedly happened... He cannot defend himself anymore... vague... very vague... Who cares how old he is? Anyone who does this should be brought to justice eventually.
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Brenda
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:15 am
RUEZ RUEZ: Brenda Brenda: Why do the daughters want to send a message its ok to come up with this after 50 freakin years? how was it proven anyway? Who was the judge? I dunno... it stinks...
They were kids when it supposedly happened... He cannot defend himself anymore... vague... very vague... Who cares how old he is? Anyone who does this should be brought to justice eventually. I care, because he has Alzheimers. So there is no way he could have defended himself... So, basicly, my question is.. did he? It has been 50+ years... If we are told to get over the attack of the twin towers, and move on, why not those ladies too, to whom it (might or might not has) happened to, when they were young children?
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:55 pm
Brenda Brenda: RUEZ RUEZ: Brenda Brenda: Why do the daughters want to send a message its ok to come up with this after 50 freakin years? how was it proven anyway? Who was the judge? I dunno... it stinks...
They were kids when it supposedly happened... He cannot defend himself anymore... vague... very vague... Who cares how old he is? Anyone who does this should be brought to justice eventually. I care, because he has Alzheimers. So there is no way he could have defended himself... So, basicly, my question is.. did he? It has been 50+ years... If we are told to get over the attack of the twin towers, and move on, why not those ladies too, to whom it (might or might not has) happened to, when they were young children? Sure he can defend himself, that's what lawyers are for. I've never been a victim of incest so I don't know how it feels but to tell them to just get over it is pretty callous. Think about how you'd feel if it happened to your children.
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Brenda
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:12 pm
If their dad molested my kids, he wouldn't live till 93, RUEZ.
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:17 pm
Brenda Brenda: If their dad molested my kids, he wouldn't live till 93, RUEZ. There you go. It's not as simple as letting it go.
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Brenda
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:19 pm
RUEZ RUEZ: Brenda Brenda: If their dad molested my kids, he wouldn't live till 93, RUEZ. There you go. It's not as simple as letting it go. I never said something about my kids, as those ladies never said anything about their mom.
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:45 pm
Brenda Brenda: RUEZ RUEZ: Brenda Brenda: If their dad molested my kids, he wouldn't live till 93, RUEZ. There you go. It's not as simple as letting it go. I never said something about my kids, as those ladies never said anything about their mom.  So you would kill someone for touching your kids but these ladies should just let it go that their father molested them. I don't understand you.
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Brenda
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:54 pm
RUEZ RUEZ:  So you would kill someone for touching your kids but these ladies should just let it go that their father molested them. I don't understand you. If you can live with it for 50 years, WHY would you make a case after that long? And, it is their story, he can't defend himself, he doesn't know. Of course you can claim, that is what you have lawyers for, but hell, those existed 30 ago too, and 20 too. There would hardly be any evidence. It is only their story, no proof. Gitmo is being closed, people said: you don't remember that detailed after 7 years. You do after 50+? Puleaze...
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:58 pm
Brenda Brenda: RUEZ RUEZ:  So you would kill someone for touching your kids but these ladies should just let it go that their father molested them. I don't understand you. If you can live with it for 50 years, WHY would you make a case after that long? And, it is their story, he can't defend himself, he doesn't know. Of course you can claim, that is what you have lawyers for, but hell, those existed 30 ago too, and 20 too. There would hardly be any evidence. It is only their story, no proof. Gitmo is being closed, people said: you don't remember that detailed after 7 years. You do after 50+? Puleaze... Who knows what an incest victim goes through? Who knows why they waited so long, and who cares? Maybe we should stop prosecuting murders after 50 years too?
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