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"Native suicides linked to compensation"

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1217433

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Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Ya, but I did't volunteer to be an Indian.

True enough, but it's the same shit. Funny, I just got back from southern US, saw a guy in a shirt, "I didn't choose to be born Mexican, I was just lucky" Fuck I laughed, he was right out of a Hollywood movie, cowboy boots, hat, beltbuckle, huge 'stache, huge gut, classic

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Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Just because a few people blame a few suicides on this it doesn't mean that more people then average are dying.

Also doesnt mean less

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

I'll bet the same percentage or less Native people kill themselves this year then last.

Ill take that bet, easily.


Oh donny you just refuse to admit the all might indians could ever do anything wrong. They have been given many many chanches to prove themselves and time and again they shit the bed.

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Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Well the second leading cause of death for white males in 2008 was suicide too. So it is not just Indians.

really? Proof?

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Nunavut has the highest youth suicide rate in the world Donny,even they wont deny that.

I lived and worked with many Innuit the last 3 years and there was not one that wasnt touched by suicide within their family,not one.

It's a problem but unless you just have an agenda and dont care about it then carry on.

I thought you were bigger then that.

[Yogi]

This is tragic. To say the least, especially since it was 'forseen and foretold' by those who know. ie; The Elders, but by no means is this sort of situation 'race exclusive' or 'culture exclusive'. You give anyone who has never had more than a few dollars to their name, couple that with no financial understanding or counselling and you can, almost always be guaranteed a sad outcome in the end.

At the other end of the spectrum, take away all of a rich persons wealth and you end up with the same results. Depression, alcohol abuse, drug abuse and suicide. Note what is going on down in Miami right now. Former rich people who have lost their investments and saving due to the economic nose-dive are now selling off family heirlooms to try to maintain the lifestyle they have always known. Watch and see what is going to become of many of them! many of Bernie Madoff's victims lost everything. Some of them can't fathom a 'life without riches' and have committed suicide. There is sure to be many more.

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Yogi Yogi:

This is tragic. To say the least, especially since it was 'forseen and foretold' by those who know. ie; The Elders, but by no means is this sort of situation 'race exclusive' or 'culture exclusive'. You give anyone who has never had more than a few dollars to their name, couple that with no financial understanding or counselling and you can, almost always be guaranteed a sad outcome in the end.

At the other end of the spectrum, take away all of a rich persons wealth and you end up with the same results. Depression, alcohol abuse, drug abuse and suicide. Note what is going on down in Miami right now. Former rich people who have lost their investments and saving due to the economic nose-dive are now selling off family heirlooms to try to maintain the lifestyle they have always known. Watch and see what is going to become of many of them! many of Bernie Madoff's victims lost everything. Some of them can't fathom a 'life without riches' and have committed suicide. There is sure to be many more.

To be honest alcohol is usually the problem,even at $250.00 a bottle.
Aside from a few communities you have to go to the RCMP to order a bottle,I found that real strange.
You want a bottle for christmas you head to the local rcmp and order one up,unless your on the list,then it's the b.legger for you.

They dont have roads,cant hit any big city's unless pregnant or sick,most are hunters and providers.
The money could have been spent better IMO.
I saw first hand what it did to some of my Innuit buds.

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BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Giving these people all that money was not something that was going to do any good. It would have been better to invest the money in the kid's education, get them out of their homes and into some dormitory settings maybe, get them assimilated into society and equip them to succeed.

Well, from an purely economic perspective, giving cash is better than providing specific products or services. Utility theory, income and substitution effects show that "cash" works better to improve quality of life than government programs. You can make the people equally happy with a lot less money if you just give them cash. But we just figure the natives'll piss it away on liquor and gunpowder, so we make their choices for them as if they were all 8 year-olds.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The best thing to do with the Indians is just leave them alone.

Giving them cash to use as THEY see fit is kind of like leaving them alone, as opposed to deciding for them how to spend it.