[roger-roger]

When did I say it was ok, I said I didnt care. It doesnt matter if he was tortured or not, he was shot and and injured by american soldiers. Now I dont think they were just walking around picking off any kids they saw.

[Zipperfish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Who really cares if anything bad happens to any Khadr besides Streaker and the usual anti-establishment crowd?

Who cares what happens to anyone. If the US government can arbitrarily detain and/or torture Canadians like Maher Arar adn Khadr, what's to stop that from doing that to anyone. Ask not for whom the bell tolls.

Sorry, I'm not about to trash the Charter and the Constitution because a few guys with guns say its what's best for me.

[Zipperfish]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

When did I say it was ok, I said I didnt care. It doesnt matter if he was tortured or not, he was shot and and injured by american soldiers. Now I dont think they were just walking around picking off any kids they saw.

So you're on board with torturing children. Sorry if I don't really pay much attention to any moral high ground you try to take after a statement like that.

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Who really cares if anything bad happens to any Khadr besides Streaker and the usual anti-establishment crowd?

I care, and like DrCaleb, I'm not anti-establishment either.

All I know about the case is what I've read online and in newspapers, and he deserves a real trial, not some sham 'military tribunal' that sounds like it was cooked up by Idi Amin or some other banana republic dictator.

Try him in a real court, with real lawyers, and real evidence being presented, not torture and innuendo. If he's guilty (which I think sure he is), they can throw him in deep, dark hole with Paul Bernardo to live out his years.

[roger-roger]

Im not, but the fact that he was tortured doesnt change what he is telling people today. He can easily change his story if it is not factual, Im sure that if he told his lawyer he had a confession tortured out of him it would be made known. With that said I have no doubt he suffered abuse during his stay at Guantanimo, mostly from other inmates, which is why he should not have a long sentance if he is guilty.

[Thanos]

As disappointed as I was to see Obama shut down the military commission trials, I'm at least encouraged to see that the terrorists in custody weren't given a blanket release. This means that the US is probably going to relocate them all to the mainland and begin anew with trials in US federal courts.

The good news for Canada is that precocious li'l Omar isn't coming home just yet. Harper can stick to his guns and continue to refuse to have him repatirated to Canada until he stands some sort of American trial first. All Obama's done really has been to shut down a questionable legal process. The Libbos and Dippos and other terrorist loving glory holers didn't win any sort of victory yesterday, despite all their sickening crowing to the contrary.

And another thing: going by the Brenda Martin debacle, where it became clear recently that we knocked ourselves out just to bring a proven criminal home to escape due justice in Mexico, does anyone actually believe that precious li'l Omar would actually see any prison time if he were tried in a Canadian court? Going by the standards of the Canadian Youth Criminal Justice provisions, and toss in the precedent Maher Arar nonsense where we most likely gave over $10 million and a series of never-ending apologies to an active Al-Qaeda member, the Khadr spawnling is never going to receive any sort of due retribution for any of his acts of brigandry. Let's face it and be honest for a change: the Khadr booster club wants this little shit back home and walking the streets freely for no more legitimate reason than it'll be just another public "fuck you!" from liberalist Canada to the United States.

[putz]

Streaker Streaker:

ridenrain ridenrain:

He committed a crime

Let's prove that in a court of law.

He was engaged in active combat against troops in Afghanistan. That has never been up for debate..... Whats wrong with having him go on trial in a proper court in the US? He was engaged in combat with US troops, Canadian or not he gave up the right to be protected by the Canadian government when fighting in Afghanistan.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Let's face it and be honest for a change: the Khadr booster club wants this little shit back home and walking the streets freely for no more legitimate reason than it'll be just another public "fuck you!" from liberalist Canada to the United States.

Or, from the "Khadr booster club" point of view, we are not ready to tear up the Charter (in canada) and the Constitution (in the US), give carte blanche to the government to torurure and arbitrarily detain anyone they suspect of doing anything, and hand over all our rights and freedoms based on the infintessimal chance that we'll die in a terrorist attack.

[poquas]

Just to establish my own view first, I don’t want this creep back here ever.

That said, I have a couple of issues.

This kid was 15 when he did (or didn’t do) what he’s accused of. Like it or not, he’s a child soldier and therefore exempt from prosecution under international law.

Even with that fact being ignored, how is it that in a war, when one guy comes out on top in a battle (good or bad) they become a prisoner charged with a war crime. Forgetting this little asshole’s age for a moment, if an American (or Canadian) soldier cleared out a room with a grenade, he’d be declared a hero, AND this occurred on foreign soil! The double standard here is astounding.

This kid was indoctrinated by his family since birth. He and his family have no business in this country in my opinion. Bringing him back here for any further legal action would be a mistake, and releasing him a bigger mistake.

Other than an “accidental” crash while taking him back to the middle east, I don’t know what to do with him, or any of the others being held there.

Gitmo was a horrible mistake made by a President that never should have been. It has to be closed and hopefully we never see anything like it again.

[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Thanos Thanos:

Let's face it and be honest for a change: the Khadr booster club wants this little shit back home and walking the streets freely for no more legitimate reason than it'll be just another public "fuck you!" from liberalist Canada to the United States.

Or, from the "Khadr booster club" point of view, we are not ready to tear up the Charter (in canada) and the Constitution (in the US), give carte blanche to the government to torurure and arbitrarily detain anyone they suspect of doing anything, and hand over all our rights and freedoms based on the infintessimal chance that we'll die in a terrorist attack.

Khadr probably can't be prosecuted in Canada. If he comes back without undergoing an American trial of some sort first then he walks free as soon as he gets here. In other words he gets a free pass for an illegal battlefield killing and the values of a openly pro-Al Qaeda family are validated.

Keeping him out of Canada, by whatever legal means necessary, is far less dangerous than the example that gets set by allowing him to come "home". The potential debacle that could happen will dwarf the disruption and damage done to legal procedure by the Brenda Martin idiocy. And it gives every Canadian carte blanche to behave in any illegal manner desired when travelling/residing overseas. By what right exactly does Canada (or certain more, ahem, liberal Canadians, to be more precise) presume to ridicule and essentially negate foreign justice systems when Canadians engage in criminality outside our borders?

[hwacker]

poquas poquas:

Gitmo was a horrible mistake made by a President that never should have been. It has to be closed and hopefully we never see anything like it again.

You're right they should have shot these POS on the spot.


What would you have them do with these people if they didn't shoot them ?

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Khadr probably can't be prosecuted in Canada. If he comes back without undergoing an American trial of some sort first then he walks free as soon as he gets here. In other words he gets a free pass for an illegal battlefield killing and the values of a openly pro-Al Qaeda family are validated.

Umm, I don't think 7 years at Guantanamo is a 'free pass'. Nor do I think anyone believes that would validate the Kadhr family's hypocritical views on Canada.

But that would be one possible consequence of not providing a fair trial in a timely manner.

[putz]

poquas poquas:

Just to establish my own view first, I don’t want this creep back here ever.

That said, I have a couple of issues.

This kid was 15 when he did (or didn’t do) what he’s accused of. Like it or not, he’s a child soldier and therefore exempt from prosecution under international law.

Even with that fact being ignored, how is it that in a war, when one guy comes out on top in a battle (good or bad) they become a prisoner charged with a war crime. Forgetting this little asshole’s age for a moment, if an American (or Canadian) soldier cleared out a room with a grenade, he’d be declared a hero, AND this occurred on foreign soil! The double standard here is astounding.

This kid was indoctrinated by his family since birth. He and his family have no business in this country in my opinion. Bringing him back here for any further legal action would be a mistake, and releasing him a bigger mistake.

Other than an “accidental” crash while taking him back to the middle east, I don’t know what to do with him, or any of the others being held there.

Gitmo was a horrible mistake made by a President that never should have been. It has to be closed and hopefully we never see anything like it again.

Killing a medic is a war crime

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Khadr probably can't be prosecuted in Canada. If he comes back without undergoing an American trial of some sort first then he walks free as soon as he gets here. In other words he gets a free pass for an illegal battlefield killing and the values of a openly pro-Al Qaeda family are validated.

Keeping him out of Canada, by whatever legal means necessary, is far less dangerous than the example that gets set by allowing him to come "home". The potential debacle that could happen will dwarf the disruption and damage done to legal procedure by the Brenda Martin idiocy. And it gives every Canadian carte blanche to behave in any illegal manner desired when travelling/residing overseas. By what right exactly does Canada (or certain more, ahem, liberal Canadians, to be more precise) presume to ridicule and essentially negate foreign justice systems when Canadians engage in criminality outside our borders?

What gives me the right to riducle the US justice system? Oh, I don't know, freedom of speech, I suppose. I do think it's a little ridiculous to torture and arbitrary detain on a whim and call that a justice system.

Parties over for the torture brigade. Bush adn Cheney are gone. Obamam is in. Yeeee-haw. Score one for the good guys.

[commanderkai]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Thanos Thanos:

Khadr probably can't be prosecuted in Canada. If he comes back without undergoing an American trial of some sort first then he walks free as soon as he gets here. In other words he gets a free pass for an illegal battlefield killing and the values of a openly pro-Al Qaeda family are validated.

Umm, I don't think 7 years at Guantanamo is a 'free pass'. Nor do I think anyone believes that would validate the Kadhr family's hypocritical views on Canada.

Seven years for murder isn't a free pass? Sheesh, I'm going to disagree with you, excessively.