[Thanos]

Maybe someone from BC can answer this: has it gotten cold enough for a long enough period so far out there that the pine beetles could finally be wiped out? A nasty winter'd be worth it if those little bastards all froze to death and disappeared.

[RUEZ]

Not even close.

[Hyack]

It don't matter anyhow, the damage has already been done.

[wildrosegirl]

Yep - even if it had been cold enough for a long enough period, it's about three years (minimum) too late.

[Strutz]

Last thing I heard about it on the news they said it had not yet stayed cold enough for long enough to kill them. Though it wasn't made clear just how cold for how long it would take. Like any other species, the little buggers have adapted themselves to the climate and the cold is probably not bothering them. We'll see come spring how much of a problem we still have. The damage so far has been terrible.

[sandorski]

Must be getting close for the Northern half by now. Needs to extend right down to the US border though.

[Hyack]

Strutz Strutz:

Last thing I heard about it on the news they said it had not yet stayed cold enough for long enough to kill them. Though it wasn't made clear just how cold for how long it would take. Like any other species, the little buggers have adapted themselves to the climate and the cold is probably not bothering them. We'll see come spring how much of a problem we still have. The damage so far has been terrible.

Temperatures down to −30 °C to −40 °C for at least several days, or at least twelve hours of −40 or lower, kills most mountain pine beetles.

[ShepherdsDog]

Wintercouver

[sandorski]

Snow Snow go away, don't come back ever!

Giller Prize contender

[herbie]

Thanos Thanos:

Maybe someone from BC can answer this: has it gotten cold enough for a long enough period so far out there that the pine beetles could finally be wiped out? A nasty winter'd be worth it if those little bastards all froze to death and disappeared.

Not even close. It's been the coldest, longest December in Central BC in a decade, but still 10 degrees warmer than it used to be when I moved up here. Plus they've already moved on... the damage is done here.

I must be gettin' old fast. 20 years ago I'd go sledding at -25. Now I bundle up to go start the car, and you couldn't pay me enough to work outside!

[RUEZ]

herbie herbie:

Thanos Thanos:

Maybe someone from BC can answer this: has it gotten cold enough for a long enough period so far out there that the pine beetles could finally be wiped out? A nasty winter'd be worth it if those little bastards all froze to death and disappeared.

Not even close. It's been the coldest, longest December in Central BC in a decade, but still 10 degrees warmer than it used to be when I moved up here. Plus they've already moved on... the damage is done here.

I must be gettin' old fast. 20 years ago I'd go sledding at -25. Now I bundle up to go start the car, and you couldn't pay me enough to work outside!

So far the coldest it's gotten here this winter is about -34. Are you saying it should have gotten to -44? I've lived in the area since 1985 and I've never seen it that cold.

[Nuggets]

Apollo Apollo:

After 3 years of brutally cold winters and relatively cool summers. Along with data that shows there has been no warming of the planet for the past 12 years, at what point do we confirm that global warming is dead?

10 years? 20 years? Give me a number damnit.

When all the glaciers all over the world stop melting so rapidly as they are now, and when the permafrost stops turning into mush.

[xerxes]

Hyack Hyack:

Strutz Strutz:

Last thing I heard about it on the news they said it had not yet stayed cold enough for long enough to kill them. Though it wasn't made clear just how cold for how long it would take. Like any other species, the little buggers have adapted themselves to the climate and the cold is probably not bothering them. We'll see come spring how much of a problem we still have. The damage so far has been terrible.

Temperatures down to −30 °C to −40 °C for at least several days, or at least twelve hours of −40 or lower, kills most mountain pine beetles.

And it has to be early in the season too as after a while the beetles secrete a natural kind of antifreeze in their blood.

[ziggy]

Nuggets Nuggets:

Apollo Apollo:

After 3 years of brutally cold winters and relatively cool summers. Along with data that shows there has been no warming of the planet for the past 12 years, at what point do we confirm that global warming is dead?

10 years? 20 years? Give me a number damnit.

When all the glaciers all over the world stop melting so rapidly as they are now, and when the permafrost stops turning into mush.

The permafrost ISNT turning into mush,trust me on this one.

[ziggy]

xerxes xerxes:

Hyack Hyack:

Strutz Strutz:

Last thing I heard about it on the news they said it had not yet stayed cold enough for long enough to kill them. Though it wasn't made clear just how cold for how long it would take. Like any other species, the little buggers have adapted themselves to the climate and the cold is probably not bothering them. We'll see come spring how much of a problem we still have. The damage so far has been terrible.

Temperatures down to −30 °C to −40 °C for at least several days, or at least twelve hours of −40 or lower, kills most mountain pine beetles.

And it has to be early in the season too as after a while the beetles secrete a natural kind of antifreeze in their blood.

The cold has to hit before the larvae mature under the bark and so far the cold is killing beetles at least here.We have been dealing with them since 1978 when BC ignored the problem as they slowly moved into the flathead valley from Montana and then migrated into Alberta.The death of beetle babys today means a forest of mature pine a thousand miles away wont be ravished so bad.They should just harvest mature pine,take away the food source and no more infestations.The environuts kinda caused this with their idea of forestry managment.