[Dayseed]

ridenrain ridenrain:

The police acted like goons and I dount they could have cited one acted like a bigger goon than the others. They should at least be repremanded for obviously using excessive force.

Totally wrong on your part. How did the police act like "goons"? How was the force they used excessive? Did you make your judgement by the situation they faced or the outcome that occurred? Be careful!

$1:

I still want to see the director of security, or some of the senior management of YVR fired for this. Their the ones who failed by letting someone wander around in a high security area for hours. Their the ones who failed to conect the polish guy from the plain with the polish mother together.

How about also heaping some blame on the fucking Polish guy? HE freaked out; HE started wrecking the place; HE didn't know what HE was doing; HE was incapable of helping himself. His blame in all this didn't die with him you know.

[DerbyX]

Morning? Just a quick forum post before breakfast and heading off to milk the cows?

At least rr isn't heaping blame on the Liberals this time. I notice nobody is attacking the people who are attacking the RCMP as being cop haters yet when I found fault with the police in Ottawa over their treatment of a 10 year old boy suddenly I was a hatemonger anarchist who hated all police equally.

[Dayseed]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Morning? Just a quick forum post before breakfast and heading off to milk the cows?

At least rr isn't heaping blame on the Liberals this time. I notice nobody is attacking the people who are attacking the RCMP as being cop haters yet when I found fault with the police in Ottawa over their treatment of a 10 year old boy suddenly I was a hatemonger anarchist who hated all police equally.

The police aren't blameless in all of their actions; but neither Dziekanski nor Ian Bush are the examples of police brutality people want them to be.

And you're a hatemonger anarchist? What did you do, say you wanted the Leafs to win the Cup?

[uwish]

all I know from the video I saw is this:

the RCMP were going to tase this guy before getting into the room with him. One cop ask the other 'are we going to use the taser?' the other cops response yes.

That was BEFORE they were even in the room with the guy and make contact

next on the video was nothing more than cops being lazy. They chose to deploy this device even after he put up his hands. They were in the room with him for less than 10 seconds when he was tased.

whether or not the taser was 'to blame' for his death at the very least, it should have been assault with a weapon causing death charge.

to me and BY USE OF RCMP FORCE guidelines the taser should NOT have been used.

[ridenrain]

The video shows the police entering the airport, squabbling over who was going to tazer the guy. I'd say that shows that the outcome was already decided for they made very little effort to communicate with him. The police didn't intentionally kill him, but they didn't appear to try to help him either.

Mr.Dziekanski does take some blame but I doubt any of us would be so reasonable after wandering around in a foreign airport for 6 hours. That's why I think the blame rests on the airport security staff and their management.

[Robair]

Dayseed Dayseed:

ridenrain ridenrain:

The police acted like goons and I dount they could have cited one acted like a bigger goon than the others. They should at least be repremanded for obviously using excessive force.

Totally wrong on your part. How did the police act like "goons"? How was the force they used excessive? Did you make your judgement by the situation they faced or the outcome that occurred? Be careful!

I imagine he made his judgement after witnessing the event on video. Like the rest of us. What are you basing your judgement on?

[Dayseed]

Robair Robair:

I imagine he made his judgement after witnessing the event on video. Like the rest of us. What are you basing your judgement on?

The whole damn thing, not just the video. Or are you so simplistic that you think the video tells the whole story? According to your answer, you are that simplistic. If you're fine with yourself by making judgements on partial evidence, so be it. But I'll be here to point it out for you.

Wanna keep going? I sure do!

[Dayseed]

uwish uwish:

all I know from the video I saw is this:

the RCMP were going to tase this guy before getting into the room with him. One cop ask the other 'are we going to use the taser?' the other cops response yes.

That was BEFORE they were even in the room with the guy and make contact

You know that tasers aren't standard issue, right? In Toronto, I haven't seen one Constable with a taser strapped to their side; just the higher ranks. So, if they're going to bring along a taser TO A CALL OF A VIOLENT MAN GOING APESHIT IN A TERMINAL, they'd better decide who's going to use it.

$1:

next on the video was nothing more than cops being lazy. They chose to deploy this device even after he put up his hands. They were in the room with him for less than 10 seconds when he was tased.

I see a man throw his arms up in an aggressive "Don't fucking come near me" gesture. If you see a man surrendering, you're wrong. A violent man who pulls away from the police deserves the taser.

$1:

whether or not the taser was 'to blame' for his death at the very least, it should have been assault with a weapon causing death charge.

Well, if you're inventing charges that don't exist in the Criminal Code, sure! Why not heap on Electrical Mayhem? Because what you posted is actually called 2nd Degree Murder. Fuck me, are you representative of the public? I hope not.

$1:

to me and BY USE OF RCMP FORCE guidelines the taser should NOT have been used.

Hey chump, here's the use of force wheel I found on the RCMP website!



They can use the taser you dipshit! Thanks for embarassing yourself!

[Robair]

Dayseed Dayseed:

Robair Robair:

I imagine he made his judgement after witnessing the event on video. Like the rest of us. What are you basing your judgement on?

The whole damn thing, not just the video. Or are you so simplistic that you think the video tells the whole story? According to your answer, you are that simplistic. If you're fine with yourself by making judgements on partial evidence, so be it. But I'll be here to point it out for you.

Wanna keep going? I sure do!

No thanks. We've been down this road before.

[Dayseed]

Robair Robair:

Dayseed Dayseed:

Robair Robair:

I imagine he made his judgement after witnessing the event on video. Like the rest of us. What are you basing your judgement on?

The whole damn thing, not just the video. Or are you so simplistic that you think the video tells the whole story? According to your answer, you are that simplistic. If you're fine with yourself by making judgements on partial evidence, so be it. But I'll be here to point it out for you.

Wanna keep going? I sure do!

No thanks. We've been down this road before.

And you lost then too. Once again, if you're satisfied with yourself that you can form accurate judgements on partial evidence, then that is simply the limits of your intellectual tether. But, quit coming here and posting your idiotic nonsense because I'll be here to bitch-slap you right back into the corner every single time you do.

Got it?

[Robair]

Dayseed Dayseed:

Robair Robair:

No thanks. We've been down this road before.

And you lost then too. Once again, if you're satisfied with yourself that you can form accurate judgements on partial evidence, then that is simply the limits of your intellectual tether. But, quit coming here and posting your idiotic nonsense because I'll be here to bitch-slap you right back into the corner every single time you do.

Got it?

Lost what? You managed to prove that you hadn't even watched the video before making up your mind.

Carry on. You certainly aren't about to change my mind, doesn't sound like you are convincing anybody else either.

[uwish]

Dayseed Dayseed:

uwish uwish:

all I know from the video I saw is this:

the RCMP were going to tase this guy before getting into the room with him. One cop ask the other 'are we going to use the taser?' the other cops response yes.

That was BEFORE they were even in the room with the guy and make contact

You know that tasers aren't standard issue, right? In Toronto, I haven't seen one Constable with a taser strapped to their side; just the higher ranks. So, if they're going to bring along a taser TO A CALL OF A VIOLENT MAN GOING APESHIT IN A TERMINAL, they'd better decide who's going to use it.

$1:

next on the video was nothing more than cops being lazy. They chose to deploy this device even after he put up his hands. They were in the room with him for less than 10 seconds when he was tased.

I see a man throw his arms up in an aggressive "Don't fucking come near me" gesture. If you see a man surrendering, you're wrong. A violent man who pulls away from the police deserves the taser.

$1:

whether or not the taser was 'to blame' for his death at the very least, it should have been assault with a weapon causing death charge.

Well, if you're inventing charges that don't exist in the Criminal Code, sure! Why not heap on Electrical Mayhem? Because what you posted is actually called 2nd Degree Murder. Fuck me, are you representative of the public? I hope not.

$1:

to me and BY USE OF RCMP FORCE guidelines the taser should NOT have been used.

Hey chump, here's the use of force wheel I found on the RCMP website!



They can use the taser you dipshit! Thanks for embarassing yourself!

perhaps you haven't seen nor read the latest RCMP guidelines for use of impact device, that nice diagram of yours is a bit out of date.

and the only one who is embarrassing himself on here is you...learn how to spell it first.

[Zipperfish]

Make no doubt about it--the cops run Vancouver. It's been one disgrace after another for years int he Lower Mainland and everyone is too gutless to take them on--most particularly other cops. Then again, consider that some guy in Vancouver who stabbed a guy in his car about fifty times just got--wait for it--FIVE years. I guess we a shouldn't be too surprsied.

Remeber Harper getting tough on crime? Whatta joke.

[uwish]

is that RCMP or local police? or are you referring to both?

[Zipperfish]

uwish uwish:

is that RCMP or local police? or are you referring to both?

West Van, RCMP and City of Vancouver.

The West Van cops just had a beauty. One of their members got hammered at teh station, got behind the wheel and promptly wiped out her vehicle (off duty, I think). Luckily she didn't kill anyone.

The West Van cops revewing the case failed to mention that the officer was drinking at the station before she got behind the wheel. Because of this omission they were to be called before a hearing. Then they both went on "sick leave" for over a year rather than face the hearing.