[Yogi]

Based on what 'we' have to go through before 'we' are issued a development permit, the natives are not out of line!

When I applied to the county to build a 12x24 'shed' I had to submit plans & details complete with a drawing as to where on my property I intended to situate the shed, showing exactly how close to my neighbors property the shed would be placed. I also had to describe exactly the intended use of the shed. I also had to consult with all neighbors whose property abutted mine in case they had any objectionsto my plans, in which case those would have to be addressed before construction could begin!
As well, because the proposed site of the shed was within 500 m. of a paved hiway, I had to submit a copy of all info to the Transport Canada, and receive their blessings before a building permit would be issued.

[HyperionTheEvil]

Yogi Yogi:

Based on what 'we' have to go through before 'we' are issued a development permit, the natives are not out of line!

When I applied to the county to build a 12x24 'shed' I had to submit plans & details complete with a drawing as to where on my property I intended to situate the shed, showing exactly how close to my neighbors property the shed would be placed. I also had to describe exactly the intended use of the shed. I also had to consult with all neighbors whose property abutted mine in case they had any objectionsto my plans, in which case those would have to be addressed before construction could begin!
As well, because the proposed site of the shed was within 500 m. of a paved hiway, I had to submit a copy of all info to the Transport Canada, and receive their blessings before a building permit would be issued.

You're working from a incorrect assumption

[Mowich]

I support anyone, native or otherwise, who might shine a light on the dreadful policies that are now in practise regarding the Tar Sands. It is long past time for both provinicial and federal governments to re-think their priorities in the Tar Sands. The environmental degradation that is taking place and its long-term costs need to be addressed, now. Oil at any cost should not be the governing policy. Future generations should not inherit the environmental disaster that faces Alberta as a result of misguided policies and greed.

[Yogi]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

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You're working from a incorrect assumption

Which Is ?

[RUEZ]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Well, that is true. The best way to get the attention of the white man is to stand between him and his money.

Interesting little bit of racism there Donny.

[mtbr]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Well, that is true. The best way to get the attention of the white man is to stand between him and his money.

Interesting little bit of racism there Donny.

what would you expect from the writer

[HyperionTheEvil]

Yogi Yogi:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

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You're working from a incorrect assumption

Which Is ?

That Canadians owe anything to indians in the first place. Your presumption is that they 'own' the land they are complaning about. The biggest problem that indians have is not that they are being hard done by, but by a sense of entitlement that they have made for themselves a cutlture out expecting handouts

[acidcomplex]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

That Canadians owe anything to indians in the first place. Your presumptiop is that they 'own' the land they are complaning about. The biggest problem that indians have is not that they are being hard done by, but by a sense of entitlement that they have made for themselves a cutlture out expecting handouts

[RUEZ]

mtbr mtbr:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Well, that is true. The best way to get the attention of the white man is to stand between him and his money.

Interesting little bit of racism there Donny.

what would you expect from the writer

Just imagine if he substituted "white man" with "Jews". We'd have a human rights lawyer in here sniffing around.

[BartSimpson]

Aboriginals challenge Alta's oilsands leasing system

What the hell are these guys doing in Alberta anyways? I swear, you Canadians just let anyone in.

[mtbr]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Just imagine if he substituted "white man" with "Jews". We'd have a human rights lawyer in here sniffing around.

[Yogi]

'The tenures....All are within 20 km of the bands reserve'.

The Natives are not claiming 'ownership' of the lands in question, rather how future developement of these 'neighboring lands' will affect the future of lands already granted to them under various treaties. Reread the article!

[dino_bobba_renno]

Yogi Yogi:

Based on what 'we' have to go through before 'we' are issued a development permit, the natives are not out of line!

When I applied to the county to build a 12x24 'shed' I had to submit plans & details complete with a drawing as to where on my property I intended to situate the shed, showing exactly how close to my neighbors property the shed would be placed. I also had to describe exactly the intended use of the shed. I also had to consult with all neighbors whose property abutted mine in case they had any objectionsto my plans, in which case those would have to be addressed before construction could begin!
As well, because the proposed site of the shed was within 500 m. of a paved hiway, I had to submit a copy of all info to the Transport Canada, and receive their blessings before a building permit would be issued.

You're absolutely right on that Yogi but the problem with the Native bands isn't all ways that cut and dry.

First off a lot of times there is direct consultation with not only natives who may be affected by things such as cut lines but with any group that uses the land such as trappers. The problem with the natives is that you can consult with one group who claims to represent a certain area and go through a long protracted process only to have another group pop out of no where who then claim that the other group has no legal right to represent them. You then have to start all over. This happens quite often.

Changes to the councils can also affect the consultation process. No sooner do you wrap up the meetings when a new chief is elected. Once again, back to the drawing board.

Another thing is that bands can drag out the proceedings for years if they want something which is most often the case. Some times they can be consulted only to later to deny any consultation has occurred.

And lastly it's not like these companies just go out and stick some survey lath in the ground and say "ok, this is where we want to run our seismic (or core samples), grab the phone book and find out who owns it so can give them a call". The responsibility for deciding who has to be consulted usually falls to the Alberta government. The company has to do their due diligence of course and search for any possible groups who may be affected but no activity can commence until it has been approved by the EUB (or NEB) who require you to prove you have met and satisfied all affected government agencies, land owners, stakeholders and interest groups.

Personally I call bullshit on this band if they say no one has even approached them. It can happen of course but it's extremely rare. If they weren't approched there was probably a reason for it.

[Yogi]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Yogi Yogi:

Based on what 'we' have to go through before 'we' are issued a development permit, the natives are not out of line!

When I applied to the county to build a 12x24 'shed' I had to submit plans & details complete with a drawing as to where on my property I intended to situate the shed, showing exactly how close to my neighbors property the shed would be placed. I also had to describe exactly the intended use of the shed. I also had to consult with all neighbors whose property abutted mine in case they had any objectionsto my plans, in which case those would have to be addressed before construction could begin!
As well, because the proposed site of the shed was within 500 m. of a paved hiway, I had to submit a copy of all info to the Transport Canada, and receive their blessings before a building permit would be issued.

You're absolutely right on that Yogi but the problem with the Native bands isn't all ways that cut and dry.

First off a lot of times there is direct consultation with not only natives who may be affected by things such as cut lines but with any group that uses the land such as trappers. The problem with the natives is that you can consult with one group who claims to represent a certain area and go through a long protracted process only to have another group pop out of no where who then claim that the other group has no legal right to represent them. You then have to start all over. This happens quite often.

Changes to the councils can also affect the consultation process. No sooner do you wrap up the meetings when a new chief is elected. Once again, back to the drawing board.

Another thing is that bands can drag out the proceedings for years if they want something which is most often the case. Some times they can be consulted only to later to deny any consultation has occurred.

And lastly it's not like these companies just go out and stick some survey lath in the ground and say "ok, this is where we want to run our seismic (or core samples), grab the phone book and find out who owns it so can give them a call". The responsibility for deciding who has to be consulted usually falls to the Alberta government. The company has to do their due diligence of course and search for any possible groups who may be affected but no activity can commence until it has been approved by the EUB (or NEB) who require you to prove you have met and satisfied all affected government agencies, land owners, stakeholders and interest groups.

Personally I call bullshit on this band if they say no one has even approached them. It can happen of course but it's extremely rare. If they weren't approched there was probably a reason for it.

Oh, I am very well aware of a lot of the 'wrangling, legal and otherwise' that quite often goes on with situations such as this. Note that I never profered an opinion one way or the other. I was only commenting on this particular situation as it has been presented thus far.

You are usually pretty level headed, and as could be expected, have stayed 'true to form'. Not so with a few others who it appears are incapable of just discussing the merits of the article.

[fifeboy]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Well, that is true. The best way to get the attention of the white man is to stand between him and his money.

Interesting little bit of racism there Donny.

However, it is a true statement!