[ShepherdsDog]

Looks like some members of the NDP agree with Harper's stance on eliminating subsidies.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story ... nding.html

[mtbr]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Looks like some members of the NDP agree with Harper's stance on eliminating subsidies.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story ... nding.html

shame on them how could they destroy Canadian democracy?

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

They should point out that even though the Conservatives won a lot of seats, collectively the Liberals and NDP smashed them in the popular vote, so those two parties speak for more people than do the Conservatives.

These means absolutely nothing. You talk as if the Liberals and the NDP are the same party, that their votes can automatically be combined. The fact is that these are three distinct parties and of those three the Conservatives got the most votes. If these two parties truly represent the majority of Canadians they should have joined parties before the election and put it to the voters.

We've had minority parliaments three elections in a row. The Conservatives and NDP have gained election after election, the Liberals have dropped election after election. If people really wanted to have a majority parliament, they'd have voted Conservative. They didn't.

The history in Canada is that in minority parliaments, the Liberals and NDP often work together to get stuff done. People still voted for the Liberals and NDP, and gave them enough seats to keep unchecked power away from the Conservatives. If they weren't prepared to let the Liberals and NDP try to work together, they shouldn't have voted for them.

[ShepherdsDog]

The thing is(which you seem to be avoid mentioning), the ndp and liberals together still have fewer seats than the conservatives alone. Obviously the Canadian people had even less faith in these two parties to form a government.

[RUEZ]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The thing is(which you seem to be avoid mentioning), the ndp and liberals together still have fewer seats than the conservatives alone. Obviously the Canadian people had even less faith in these two parties to form a government.

Good point shep. That means they would have to form a coalition with a party formed to destroy Canada.

[MacDonaill]

westmanguy westmanguy:

lily, you can't seriously support the NDP holding economic portfolio? Finance Minister Jack Layton? Really?

You support giving incredible power to the separatists who want to destroy this country? You support a government in bed with the Bloc Quebecois?

The government as it stands must count, from time to time in any case, on the power of the Bloc. So what's the dif?

[hurley_108]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

westmanguy westmanguy:

lily, you can't seriously support the NDP holding economic portfolio? Finance Minister Jack Layton? Really?

You support giving incredible power to the separatists who want to destroy this country? You support a government in bed with the Bloc Quebecois?

The government as it stands must count, from time to time in any case, on the power of the Bloc. So what's the dif?

PRECISELY! It's a minority either way!

[RUEZ]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

westmanguy westmanguy:

lily, you can't seriously support the NDP holding economic portfolio? Finance Minister Jack Layton? Really?

You support giving incredible power to the separatists who want to destroy this country? You support a government in bed with the Bloc Quebecois?

The government as it stands must count, from time to time in any case, on the power of the Bloc. So what's the dif?

It's one thing to work with them in parliament, it's another thing all together to join with them in a coalition to bring down the ruling party.

[ShepherdsDog]

The NDP made minor gains, but they have so few members that these gains are largely irrelevant, while the Liberals experienced major losses equal to the Conservatives gains. A deal with the BQ is purely a power grab and will be seen as such, unlike the Conservatives attempt to engage them and convince them of the benefits of a united Canada, under Mulroney.

[hurley_108]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The thing is(which you seem to be avoid mentioning), the ndp and liberals together still have fewer seats than the conservatives alone. Obviously the Canadian people had even less faith in these two parties to form a government.

I only decline to mention it as it's common knowledge, or at least it should be. But how many Canadians voted Conservative expecting them to bring the country to the brink of yet another election before Christmas? I think Canadians tried to elect a more stable government, not a less stable one, but they didn't get that, did they?

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

westmanguy westmanguy:

lily, you can't seriously support the NDP holding economic portfolio? Finance Minister Jack Layton? Really?

You support giving incredible power to the separatists who want to destroy this country? You support a government in bed with the Bloc Quebecois?

The government as it stands must count, from time to time in any case, on the power of the Bloc. So what's the dif?

It's one thing to work with them in parliament, it's another thing all together to join with them in a coalition to bring down the ruling party.

Nobody's saying the Bloc would be part of the coalition. It would be a Liberal-NDP coalition, with the Bloc supporting the coalition. Prove me wrong.

[ShepherdsDog]

Who is threatening to topple the government? Members of your own party are proposing to do, on a provincial level, what Harper has proposed at the federal level. Sort of hypocritical isn't it? truth be told the electorate may end up giving the Liberals and the NDP a bloody nose for spite's sake, just to make sure there isn't another election for 4 more years. They didn't vote for an NDP Liberal coalition. If they had wanted a left leaning government, the Liberals would have gained seats, rather than losing seats, and would have been able to form their own minority government.

[RUEZ]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Nobody's saying the Bloc would be part of the coalition. It would be a Liberal-NDP coalition, with the Bloc supporting the coalition. Prove me wrong.

So you're proposing a coalition government with less seats then the opposition and expected support from the Bloc? Ya that sounds like a much more stable government.

[RUEZ]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Who is threatening to topple the government? Members of your own party are proposing to do, on a provincial level, what Harper has proposed at the federal level. Sort of hypocritical isn't it?

The left in Canada is in it for the power just as much as they accuse Harper of it. They have never wanted what's best for Canada. All one has to do is look at what it finally took to get them to stand up and be heard. The loss of their hand outs.

[hurley_108]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Who is threatening to topple the government? Members of your own party are proposing to do, on a provincial level, what Harper has proposed at the federal level. Sort of hypocritical isn't it?

Thing is, Doer's motivations for reversing the subsidy are not so blatantly self-serving as Harper's.