[hurley_108]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

I would be only too happy to vote anything but Conservative after the shit Harper's pulled.

Not a fan of democracy huh?

Since when was "308 candidates per party" the definition of Democracy?

[HyperionTheEvil]

bootlegga bootlegga:

QBC QBC:

You know hurley, every government we've ever had has pulled shit. Finding an honest politician that has the best interests of the people at heart is almost as rare as a unicorn. The people that do go into politics that do have the best interest of the country or province do not get very far as they are not crooked enough to rise through the scum, bureaucracy and corruption. When all Canadians finally realize that, maybe then we'll get a government that will work for us.

Yes, every government we've had since Confederation has pulled shit. Harper though promised he was different and accountable, but he really hasn't been has he. He taken advantage of almost everything he criticized the Liberals for while they were in power (accepting floor crossers, reneging on tax promises, even cancelling defence purchases). Instead, he has been totally focussed on trying to get a majority, with tax cuts, outright bribes ($8 billion in spending days before the writ was dropped) and dirty tricks, like this one.

I don't much like the idea of a coalition either, but maybe this will teach Harper a lesson that he needs to work with the other parties in a minority, not keep hitting them over the head and bullying them to get his way. His first six months or so (2006) he did just that and a lot got done. What has he accomplished in the past year with his bullying...not very much.

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And you say the CPC is bad


hyprocrite

[HyperionTheEvil]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

I would be only too happy to vote anything but Conservative after the shit Harper's pulled.

Not a fan of democracy huh?

Since when was "308 candidates per party" the definition of Democracy?

You lost the vote and are now looking for a back door. If you clowns are so good then force and election and let Canadians decide


oh wait, they did that already

[hurley_108]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

bootlegga bootlegga:

QBC QBC:

You know hurley, every government we've ever had has pulled shit. Finding an honest politician that has the best interests of the people at heart is almost as rare as a unicorn. The people that do go into politics that do have the best interest of the country or province do not get very far as they are not crooked enough to rise through the scum, bureaucracy and corruption. When all Canadians finally realize that, maybe then we'll get a government that will work for us.

Yes, every government we've had since Confederation has pulled shit. Harper though promised he was different and accountable, but he really hasn't been has he. He taken advantage of almost everything he criticized the Liberals for while they were in power (accepting floor crossers, reneging on tax promises, even cancelling defence purchases). Instead, he has been totally focussed on trying to get a majority, with tax cuts, outright bribes ($8 billion in spending days before the writ was dropped) and dirty tricks, like this one.

I don't much like the idea of a coalition either, but maybe this will teach Harper a lesson that he needs to work with the other parties in a minority, not keep hitting them over the head and bullying them to get his way. His first six months or so (2006) he did just that and a lot got done. What has he accomplished in the past year with his bullying...not very much.

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And you say the CPC is bad


hyprocrite

Adscam = $100 million
2008 election = $300 million

The Liberals get two more adscams before they've caught back up to Haper's shenanigans.

[hurley_108]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

You lost the vote and are now looking for a back door. If you clowns are so good then force and election and let Canadians decide


oh wait, they did that already

You beat up the nerdy kid with glasses and won. BFD.

[HyperionTheEvil]

[quote="hurley_108]
Adscam = $100 million
2008 election = $300 million

The Liberals get two more adscams before they've caught back up to Haper's shenanigans.[/quote]

problem

People went to jail for kick backs to the liberal party


...

Hence the word --scam

[hurley_108]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

problem

People went to jail for kick backs to the liberal party


...

Hence the word --scam

Just becuase something's not illegal doesn't mean it's not wrong.

[HyperionTheEvil]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

problem

People went to jail for kick backs to the liberal party


...

Hence the word --scam

Just becuase something's not illegal doesn't mean it's not wrong.

Thats what the legal system is for, or had you forgotten that.

[Robair]

Harper is a coward

[bootlegga]

Illegal, you mean like the Conservative bait and switch in election funding last year...yeah, give it a year or so and I'm sure someone will get fined or go to jail. The stink of politics isn't limited to the Liberals...

[bootlegga]

Flip floppy...

$1:

When the fiscal update was delivered on Thursday, government officials and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty expressly stated the party financing measures would be considered matters of confidence.

But with the Liberals and New Democrats in deep discussions about a potential coalition government should the Tories be defeated, the Conservatives are pulling back.

Good find Robair!

[hurley_108]

Robair Robair:

Harper is a coward

No, he's still just a bully. Bullies back down when you stand up to them. Dion just never did that last time and got stuck in a rut. This time it's different.

But this is still great news. Thanks Robair!

[mtbr]

Robair Robair:

Harper is a coward

The subsidy does nothing to promote democracy as the ruling party collects the most and builds a nest egg for future elections..how do you think the Bloc has survived? The Bloc raised 7 million last year 6 million came from this subsidy!
Time for this to go, I hope they bring this up again in the next election .

[hurley_108]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

QBC QBC:

You know hurley, every government we've ever had has pulled shit. Finding an honest politician that has the best interests of the people at heart is almost as rare as a unicorn. The people that do go into politics that do have the best interest of the country or province do not get very far as they are not crooked enough to rise through the scum, bureaucracy and corruption. When all Canadians finally realize that, maybe then we'll get a government that will work for us.

Yea, others have pulled shit, but Harper's running "Extreme Makeover, Government Edition." He's not renovating, he's tearing down and rebuilding to suit his own narrow, shortsighted agenda.

Adam Radwanski put it way better than I could:

$1:

It takes a special kind of immaturity to look at an economic crisis - one that has people worried about their jobs and their homes and their life savings - and consider only how it might be turned to your advantage. But then, for all his ideological roots, Harper has demonsrated time and again that nothing interests him so much as cementing his hold on power. He may have evolved in terms of openness to pragmatic policies when they suit his political interests. But this is a leader who very clearly sees politics as a game, and who sees government - rather than what you do with it - as the ultimate victory.

You could say the same thing, to somewhat lesser degrees, about many who've come before him - not least Jean Chretien. But even Chretien, who clearly enjoyed elections more than he enjoyed actually governing, never devoted his time in office to rigging the rules to ensure that he'd win the next campaign, and the one after that - something he could have done rather easily, with a majority government and a divided opposition. And it's hard to imagine him - or Brian Mulroney, or Pierre Trudeau, or any other prime minister of any signficance - looking at a fiscal update in the middle of an economic meltdown as a chance to put the boots to his opponents.

[Robair]

mtbr mtbr:

Robair Robair:

Harper is a coward

The subsidy does nothing to promote democracy...

You must not have a very firm grasp of the concept.