[mtbr]

bootlegga bootlegga:

But Zip, don't you know those graphs are socialist propaganda!

I don't know whether mankind is behind the changes or not, but it is getting warmer, at least in Edmonton. I've lived here for almost four decades and NEVER seen rain in February, but we got that this year. Edmonton STILL doesn't have a lick of snow, and it's almost November. To top it off, it's still above zero here and some of the grass is still green if you can believe it.

I know one year does not a change make, but it's been getting worse (or better if you hate the cold/snow) each year since I got back from overseas in 2001. Winter takes longer to get here and the snow is gone quicker each spring. Hell, the last couple of years we didn't even gt snow in early May, which used to always happen.

Deny it if you want, but the climate is changing. I'll be the first to admit I'm not enough of a scientist to know exactly what, but change is afoot.

short memory..

Calgary is getting colder. Winter has arrived in October every year for the last 7 except this year...and it snows till June...we've had snow 3 or 4 times this FALL.


My inlaws live in Beaumont my father inlaw runs out of places to put his driveway snow in the winter and it doesn't melt until May.

[Zipperfish]

ziggy ziggy:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

ziggy ziggy:

Who to believe?
Who to believe?

Well you can believe Paul Elhrich--though given teh temperature record for th last 150 years that would be a stretch. Also, he made several rather outlandish claims, including that millions of Americans would starve to death in the 1970s, and that England would not exist in the year 2000 and that life expectancy in the US would drop to 42 by 1980. Seems like he's batting a pretty lousy average to me. But, hey, if you want to listen to Paul and his global cooling theories--fill yer boots!


Or maybe you can believe the scientific consensus that says that we are in a warming trend. Or maybe the World Meteeological Organization who said in 1976 that warned that a very significant warming of the global climate was probable.

That's the problem,too many new age Paul Elrich's out there that get the media and the publics ear.

Hard to tell the shit from the shinola.

Yup,. no doubt about that. And the media will always play up the most sensational claims.

One thing to keep in mind though is that even a lot of people that the sceptics calim is on "their side" readily admit that it is getting warmer. There are not many credible scientists that deny it has warmed--they may question if the warming is global, or if humans are a big contributor, or the magnitude of the warming--but most readily admit that it has warmed. Richard Lindzen, for example, is probably the hevyweight for the so-called "skeptics" but he maintains that the average global climate is about 0.6 deg C more than a century ago.

[bootlegga]

mtbr mtbr:

short memory..

Calgary is getting colder. Winter has arrived in October every year for the last 7 except this year...and it snows till June...we've had snow 3 or 4 times this FALL.


My inlaws live in Beaumont my father inlaw runs out of places to put his driveway snow in the winter and it doesn't melt until May.

Did I say Beaumont? No, I said Edmonton. I don't compare Airdrie with Calgary, so don't do the same up here...

As for your weather in Calgary...suck it up princess.

If you knew shit all about anything other than being a dumbass, you'd know large cities are warmer than outlying areas and affect weather.

[mtbr]

bootlegga bootlegga:

If you knew shit all about anything other than being a dumbass, you'd know large cities are warmer than outlying areas and affect weather.

If you know that why did you bring up the warming effect on Edmonton...hypocritical dumb ass.

[bootlegga]

mtbr mtbr:

bootlegga bootlegga:

If you knew shit all about anything other than being a dumbass, you'd know large cities are warmer than outlying areas and affect weather.

If you know that why did you bring up the warming effect on Edmonton...hypocritical dumb ass.

Ahh, another brilliant retort from the forum's resident jamroll...I find it sad that you can't even come up with your own insult. Are you going to call me a jamroll now too?

The point about large cities and weather, obviously lost on your low intellect, so I'll have to explain it for you, is that comparing Edmonton and Beaumont (or Calgary and Airdrie) is simply stupid, as one is a far larger than the other. It's even more pronounced in Beaumont's case, which is nowhere near the size of Airdrie. A corollary is that if ten years ago or twenty years ago we had snow by November and it didn't melt until late April, the warming effect is even further amplified than inthe past.

But then you wouldn't understand that, would you jamroll? Face it, in an intellectual battle, you're equipped with matchsticks while everyone else has nuclear weapons. Just give up and stop embarassing yourself already...

[mtbr]

bootlegga bootlegga:

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The point about large cities and weather, obviously lost on your low intellect, so I'll have to explain it for you, is that comparing Edmonton and Beaumont (or Calgary and Airdrie) is simply stupid, as one is a far larger than the other. It's even more pronounced in Beaumont's case, which is nowhere near the size of Airdrie. A corollary is that if ten years ago or twenty years ago we had snow by November and it didn't melt until late April, the warming effect is even further amplified than inthe past.

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Haven't driven around Leduc/Beaumont( just south of Millwoods) lately have you?

you made a dumb post and now you can't own up to it.
you tried to use the Urban Heat Island effect as evidence that Edmonton is warming


Do you think the fact that Edmonton has grown so much in the last few decades the urban heat island effect could have increased?

Maybe you should move out of the core and that cardboard box and hit the burbs.

[Alta_redneck]

So Edmonton doesn't get any snow anymore? Well gezzz Boot you better phone up Howie and tell him to stop paying a retainer on those 125 Graders and Snow Plows all winter, till March.

I think it would be a good idea to extend it a month more, because it costs the city big buck$ to bring them all back like they had to last April.

Man all I hear coming out of Edmonton every winter is people bitching about the streets not being plowed and pot holes.

[mtbr]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

So Edmonton doesn't get any snow anymore? Well gezzz Boot you better phone up Howie and tell him to stop paying a retainer on those 125 Graders and Snow Plows all winter, till March.

I think it would be a good idea to extend it a month more, because it costs the city big buck$ to bring them all back like they had to last April.

Man all I hear coming out of Edmonton every winter is people bitching about the streets not being plowed and pot holes.

you mean this one

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... ml?ref=rss

Spring snowstorm slams northern Alberta
Greyhound bus slides off highway near Leduc; no one injured



must have made a circle around Edmonton though

[ridenrain]

Lol. Great one Ziggy.

Can we still say these things though or are we still subject to Suzuki's secret inquisition?

[bootlegga]

mtbr mtbr:

you mean this one

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... ml?ref=rss

Spring snowstorm slams northern Alberta
Greyhound bus slides off highway near Leduc; no one injured



must have made a circle around Edmonton though

Check the City's traffic cams jamroll, see any snow, anywhere in Edmonton...nah didn't think so...that's because we haven't got any (unless you count trace amounts last Thursday that melted by lunchtime).

http://www.edmontontrafficcam.com/cams.php

[bootlegga]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

So Edmonton doesn't get any snow anymore? Well gezzz Boot you better phone up Howie and tell him to stop paying a retainer on those 125 Graders and Snow Plows all winter, till March.

I think it would be a good idea to extend it a month more, because it costs the city big buck$ to bring them all back like they had to last April.

Man all I hear coming out of Edmonton every winter is people bitching about the streets not being plowed and pot holes.

No, we get snow in the winter. But every year it comes later and later. When I was younger, it was cold and snowy by mid-November. Nowadays, it's later and later in the year. It's now November 25th without any snow and the forecast doesn't call for any until maybe next week. That's December BTW. And it melts sooner and sooner of late. This year (2008) it RAINED in February. You know, in the middle of Edmonton's supposedly awful winter. Last time I checked, it's only called rain when it's above zero, not below...then it's called snow.

[mtbr]

bootlegga bootlegga:

mtbr mtbr:

you mean this one

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... ml?ref=rss

Spring snowstorm slams northern Alberta
Greyhound bus slides off highway near Leduc; no one injured



must have made a circle around Edmonton though

Check the City's traffic cams jamroll, see any snow, anywhere in Edmonton...nah didn't think so...that's because we haven't got any (unless you count trace amounts last Thursday that melted by lunchtime).

http://www.edmontontrafficcam.com/cams.php

check Calgary's we still have some from last Sunday even after multiple Chinook days ...would you like some?

[bootlegga]

mtbr mtbr:

Haven't driven around Leduc/Beaumont( just south of Millwoods) lately have you?

you made a dumb post and now you can't own up to it.
you tried to use the Urban Heat Island effect as evidence that Edmonton is warming


Do you think the fact that Edmonton has grown so much in the last few decades the urban heat island effect could have increased?

Maybe you should move out of the core and that cardboard box and hit the burbs.

Given that I've lived in the same part of the city (Clareview) for all but four (before I went to kindergarten) of the years I've lived Edmonton, I know all about living in the suburbs, so your stupid Millwoods/Beaumont argument doesn't fly at all.

BTW, Millwoods doesn't have any snow either...who made the dumb post? Leduc and Beaumont, no matter how hard you try to convince me, aren't part of Edmonton. Otherwise, they'd be inside Edmonton city limits. Saying Leduc is Edmonton is like saying Airdrie is Calgary...but you're too dumb to realize that aren't you?

Keep it up jamroll!

[mtbr]

never snows in Edmonton

Snow in Edmonton Jan 27,2008



BOOTS you're so full of SHIT!

http://edmonton-daily-photo.blogspot.co ... -fall.html

Wednesday, November 12, 2008

First Snowfall




and don't try to tell me that shot is from Leduc or even Millwoods.
I know what Central Edmonton looks like

http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc. ... =11&Day=24

http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc. ... =11&Day=24

would you like me to check for a few more days with snow...asshole

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

$1:

Read the journal entries on global cooling and how earth is likely on the verge of another ice age.

"And if you play the tape in slow motion backwwards, your honour, you can see the officers are actually trying to help Rodney King up."


Temperature reocord reconstructed for the past 1000 years

That's the IPCC graph, isn't it? It's critiqued Here

As you know there's another much critiqued graph the other side of the argument uses to show a longer time period. The one from the Loehle multi-proxy study. It shows something quite different.

$1:

Instrumental Temperature for the past 150 years

And that looks dramatic, but really all you're showing there is a long term rise over 150 years of about 0.7 of a degree. So what.

Here's another graph from the satellite record to 2008 averaged out in a different way, showing a different scale, and you kind of lose your Wow factor, don't you?



As far as the melting in the arctic goes here's a collection of continuously updating graphs showing sea extent for this year against what happened in previous. Draw your own conclusions.

Sea Ice Extent Graph 1

Sea Ice Extent Graph 2

Sea Ice Extent Graph 3

Here's what it looks like right now against what it looked like in 1980