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Bullshit. All soldiers get lumped into the pile when something bad happens. If you don't believe that, try telling youreself that "they were operating outside their ROE, SOP", etc.. before you break up giggling. The military command has become a punching bag that can't do right in the press or public eye. If you don't believe that, review the airborne fiasco and tell me that wan't a huge over reaction.
If you want to prove a point, join us wheh Scape posts another "all sodiers are evil" thread.

SCAPE posts "all soldiers are evil"? I call BS on that. Remember this is the guy you gave positive reps to in his debate with me concerning the afghan war in which he posted favourably for it. So what, he things the afghan war is righteous and moral but its being fought by soldiers who are all evil?

I don't think so.

In addition, we were discussing mostly in terms of the media labeling all soldiers as evil which I disputed.

The Military command was not a punching bag. While I disagree with the disbanding of the airborne given the hateful position of its members (and the military in general it seems) towards the ruling Liberal party I can't say it wasn't a case of just deserts. Also, Martin certainly didn't treat them badly in the least. Of all the Liberals he was the most pro-military and put lots of money in.

Seems to me that if people can attack a political party with as much hatred as the Liberals got and abuse them as punching bags as they were their entire tenure then you should be able to take it.

Sorry.. Wrong name. Not Scape but Streaker.
Apologies where required.
In many peoples eyes, the US, and in reflection, our own troops, can do no right. They are in the wrong for being where they are and every move they make is criticised by those that would paint them in the colour of the US troops in Iraq. They can build all the schools and clinics they can but one dead taxi driver who got too close or one dead civilian erases all that work in the eyes of the popular media.

For most here, the forces are viewed as some independant arm of evil that can do no good. The rank and file troops are best when they run away and are either blood thisrty or racist hooligans. This corrupt image is fostered by the fact that more and more of the "progressive" community don't have sons or daughters in the forces. They have simply lost touch with that entire group.

We see that time and time again when Cnada wants to sturr up that martial, military feeling and it has to go all the way back to WW1. Why is that? We were divided on WW2 and everything since then has been taited with the US.
Why can't we stand proud and strong in our commitment an say we're in WW2/Korea/Isreal/Haiti/Bosnia/Afghanistan for or own good reasons.

[DerbyX]

Sorry but I think thats wrong. In fact we do go to WW2. Ortona, Dieppe. and the defence of Hong Kong (our own Wake island).

I think alot of people are simply taking what they want from the media and ignoring the balance. The whole left wing meida bias myth again.

Everybody has a persecution complex these days. Chrisitans say they are the only people being picked on nowadays. Jews have always said it (not completely off target). Muslims certainly say it (again, not compeletely off traget). The US thinks everybody blames them. Brits always talk about having that sentiment. We Canadians just feel ignored, a form of persecution. The military says its vilified by the left. Peace activists say they are vilified by the right. The cons say they are vilified by the media, the left, well everybody. Liberals are vilified by the cons.

Everybody wants to say they are the underdog and they alone are struggling against unfair odds.

With Don Cherry bring a strong pro-military opinion into our living rooms every chance he gets, the whole highway of heros making the news every time, and loads and loads of positive op-eds about soldiers and the war I don't see any anti-war bias.

[martin14]

i wonder if this woman will attend the Halifax vigil,

where she can say thank you to 68,000 men who died so she could

diss them.

Since she was around at that time, you would think she could at least

pop by and say thanks for the protection.

[Thanos]

No offense to Mrs. Duckworth personally but I really don't regard being a pacifist as such an honour. As far as I'm concerned, with the way pacifist influence in the 1930's resulted in military spending cuts in Britain and contributed to isolationism in the United States, the whole pacifist philosophy was one of the root causes of World War Two. Showing that you're going to back down long before a fight even begins only emboldens the Hitlers of the world to become more agressive and dangerous than if someone clearly indicates that they will stand up against them.

It is worthy of note that pacifist/disarmament movements have historically only been aimed at getting the West (i.e. the United States and Britain) to lay down arms. The pacifists in general seem to have no problem with the massive amounts of armaments in the hands of a Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. Even George Orwell, who was no lover of militarism, noted this in a series of private letters written in 1945, before WW2 had even ended, where an increasingly noisy peace movement in Britain had begun to condemn Allied bombing raids on German cities but were notoriously silent about Nazi atrocities that the Allies were discovering every day as they advanced into western Germany. From what I've observed in my own lifetime about the professional protestor circuit, I highly doubt that this was merely an accidental oversight on the part of the pacifists of the 1940's and '50's.