[Pseudonym]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

You don't have to read Michelle Malkin to find this story.

Here's 10 Pages of links from Google on it

My favourite is This One, because you get the normally edited sentence at the end of the tape where Obama promises electricity prices will sky-rocket under his plan.

Yeah, I'm sure Obama made a promise that electricity rates will skyrocket under his plan. That sounds exactly like the kind of thing a politician would promise.

He sorta said it. Watch the video.

[RUEZ]

I guess BC's lucky we sell a lot of our coal to Asia.

[Zipperfish]

Ha ha. He did say something like that (although he didn't say anything about electricity rates)

"If someone wants to build a coal power plant they can but it will bankrupt them because they are going ot be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

I stand (partially) corrected. Sorry, Infidel.

A rare blunder by Obama, probably too late to "move the needle" so to speak, although I see the Fox News guy was just about peeing his pants he was so excited. It was poorly worded by Obama, since he allows (later in the interview; Fox didn't play that part) for carbon sequestration from coal plants.

Note McCain also proposes a similar cap-and-trade system.

[ziggy]

tritium tritium:

Say Ziggy, you don't think that Obama will hurt the coal industry down there...

I want's to bankrupt the coal industry in the USA, he wants to ban dirty oil from Alberta and Canadian coal imports.

In 48 hrs Canada economy will be worth shit if Obama is elected.

Without even reading farther then this post I can tell you that teck Cominco now owns all of Elk valley coal Corporation as of a few days ago which only sells to the states because of a long time contract with inland steel,thats a very tiny contract and a drop in the bucket because the last time the states did this we diserfified our markets and no longer have to rely on the USA for export coal.

So he can do what he wants,Canada is immune to what the states does as far as coal go's.
We have mega markets all over the world,in fact Teck would love nothing better if Inland steel would cancel the only remaining contract they have with the states,it's a money loser,but they need good coal to blend with their shit to make steel....or they could import it from China,either way,we have America by the balls if they want coal. The elk valley is the clean coal capital of the world.other countrys by ours to blend with there's,they fight over the available coal and the USA is the smallest of our buyers now that we stopped relying on them.

Let them eat cake!
We defenitaly dont need the USA to keep our coal market going.

[ziggy]

RUEZ RUEZ:

I guess BC's lucky we sell a lot of our coal to Asia.

About 95% of it.
Things have changed since they tried the protectionism thing last time,now they beg for Canadian coal but it's all promised to China and everywhere else.

Everyone wants our coal,from small shipments of 100,000 tonnes(1 train) to 5 million a year,they blend it with theirs to make a useable product for making steel.

The USA'a coal is good for burning in dirty thermal plants,you dont put our coal in a thermal plant,it would melt the furnaces required to burn it.

[dog77_1999]

SigPig SigPig:

They called these technologies "decades away". Are they serious?

nuclear has been used for decades (france gets almost all it power from nuclear), Wind is widely used in other nations, primarily Europe. Germany gets over 1/3 its power from wind alone.

He is simply saying that there are other alternatives out there that should be used because they are a much more sustainable and cleaner source of power.

Germany gets 5% of its power from wind. You are probaly thinking of Denmark which is 19%. However, they have to rely on German's dirty coal plants when the wind isn't blowing (the wind in Europe is basically in gusts, really hard to get steady power like from the states).

Ziggy, any coal can be burned for thermal plants. If they were really worried about melting the furnaces, they would just throw less fuel in. I don't know how US coal is any different as only the lignite coal is primarly mined. Even then, the scrubbers prevent most of the pollution from getting into the environment. Canadian coal is good because it works well for making coke (carbon for iron alloy production).

Anyways, a blunder by Obama. He should of said stop using coal to generate electricity and said to liquify coal into gasoline and reduce oil imports.

[ziggy]

dog77_1999 dog77_1999:

SigPig SigPig:

They called these technologies "decades away". Are they serious?

nuclear has been used for decades (france gets almost all it power from nuclear), Wind is widely used in other nations, primarily Europe. Germany gets over 1/3 its power from wind alone.

He is simply saying that there are other alternatives out there that should be used because they are a much more sustainable and cleaner source of power.

Germany gets 5% of its power from wind. You are probaly thinking of Denmark which is 19%. However, they have to rely on German's dirty coal plants when the wind isn't blowing (the wind in Europe is basically in gusts, really hard to get steady power like from the states).

Ziggy, any coal can be burned for thermal plants. If they were really worried about melting the furnaces, they would just throw less fuel in. I don't know how US coal is any different as only the lignite coal is primarly mined. Even then, the scrubbers prevent most of the pollution from getting into the environment. Canadian coal is good because it works well for making coke (carbon for iron alloy production).

Anyways, a blunder by Obama. He should of said stop using coal to generate electricity and said to liquify coal into gasoline and reduce oil imports.

You cant burn met coal in a thermal plant,thermal is the outcrop coal thats oxidized,that's taken as thermal in a strip mine and anything lower in a BC mine is pure met coal and you cant burn it in anything unless your making steel.

I did 22 years with some of the best of the best in the coal industry,most are running syncrude or Cominco now,they were junior engineers,geologists and some were old shell hand's when they got into the coal industry back in 82.

I know my coal,and you dont burn BC met in anything unless your making steel.

If you know anything about coal then you know that high sulpher coal is only good for thermal plants and pollutes big time but it's cheap because it's on the surface and it's also what the states has an abundance of,real high sulpher very bad coal.No scrubbers in the world can keep all the sulpher dioxide out of the stack,that's where acid rain come's from.

[dog77_1999]

Exactly, you burn lignite because it's cheap. Metalurgical coal is alot more expensive and the higher temperatures allow for the production for coke. You could use either for both but that would be stupid because the economics fly right against it.

Nothing is ever perfect. You'll never remove absolutly everything. Getting more than 90% of the sulfur out of the air is pretty good considering the energy which you get out of coal.

Who knows, I might be completly wrong about this, but I am speaking from my knowledge of material sciences and manufacturing processes.

[ziggy]

dog77_1999 dog77_1999:

Exactly, you burn lignite because it's cheap. Metalurgical coal is alot more expensive and the higher temperatures allow for the production for coke. You could use either for both but that would be stupid because the economics fly right against it.

Nothing is ever perfect. You'll never remove absolutly everything. Getting more than 90% of the sulfur out of the air is pretty good considering the energy which you get out of coal.

Who knows, I might be completly wrong about this, but I am speaking from my knowledge of material sciences and manufacturing processes.

You burn lignite because it wont melt a hole in your stove.
Same with thermal even though it's a totally different coal.
You dont burn met only because it's met,the price has nothing to do with it,thermal coal is just shitty oxidized coal that's near the surface and used to go for $33.00 a tonne compared to met at $80.00/tonne.Most mines just push it over the edge with a cat because it's not really worth selling thermal unless the price of oil gets high again.
Thos are prices from 2000 or beore just off the top of my head.Lignite is like peat,give it a million years and an ice age or two and it will become met coal.

If you want to do an experiment i'll send you a nice piece of low ash met coal and you throw it in your fireplace and see how fast you try and put that sucker out as it gets to the point it will melt your stove unless it's built to burn coal.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

You don't have to read Michelle Malkin to find this story.

Here's 10 Pages of links from Google on it

My favourite is This One, because you get the normally edited sentence at the end of the tape where Obama promises electricity prices will sky-rocket under his plan.

Yeah, I'm sure Obama made a promise that electricity rates will skyrocket under his plan. That sounds exactly like the kind of thing a politician would promise.

You don't have to believe me. Click the link. You can hear it out of Obama's own lips...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o37G0gfOE ... hthat.com/

""Under my plan of a Cap n Trade system, electricity prices would necessarily sky-rocket"

[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yeah, I'm sure Obama made a promise that electricity rates will skyrocket under his plan. That sounds exactly like the kind of thing a politician would promise.

You don't have to believe me. Click the link. You can hear it out of Obama's own lips...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o37G0gfOE ... hthat.com/

""Under my plan of a Cap n Trade system, electricity prices would necessarily sky-rocket"

Even when it comes from The Anointed One's own lips his faithful believers will still deny it. The only thing I will enjoy about Obama in the White House is his messing up US-Canada trade and hosing up Canada's economy which will necessitate cuts to all the precious programmes that the libs who love Obama depend on.

Ironic, isn't it, that the worst US Presidential candidate for Canadian liberals is the one they want?

[dog77_1999]

ziggy, you just said exactly what I just said. Lignite is cheaper, and it is used because of it gives more energy per buck. If the economics made sense, then we would be burning met coal and designing furnances for it. If you wanted to use existing facilities you would use less input material to achieve the same temperatures.

Consequently, met coal has great properties for coke which is why it is used.

I talked to my prof about this. I am 100% correct on this issue. There is nothing physically that would stop you from doing this. Combustion is the same just different energy outputs. The only limitations are economic ones.c

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Even when it comes from The Anointed One's own lips his faithful believers will still deny it. The only thing I will enjoy about Obama in the White House is his messing up US-Canada trade and hosing up Canada's economy which will necessitate cuts to all the precious programmes that the libs who love Obama depend on.

Ironic, isn't it, that the worst US Presidential candidate for Canadian liberals is the one they want?

Deny it? I believe I said:

$1:

I stand (partially) corrected. Sorry, Infidel.

I see you are determined to stay bitter to the end. Nothing positive to add except Fear and Smear. "Just wait until HE gets in. Then you'll be sorry."

It's not working, Bart. I'm not afraid. They're not afraid.

[mixedfarmer]

i think alberta sands oil is banned now for use by the usa federal government for government use.

[Pseudonym]

Well that sucks. I would rather buy Canadian than Saudi oil.