[ridenrain]

Ouiji boards are not proof.

[DerbyX]

mtbr mtbr:

uh oh Derby

I'm here sunshine.

If you guys had bothered to read Harpers expert giving his report you would have noted that he said the same thing, mainly that there were stops and starts in the recording. No expert has said there was any doctoring of the tape and they confirmed that they key minutes with the recording concerning Harper promising finanacial considerations to Chuck is authentic in its entirety. Harper has never denied that, he just won't say what those considerations are. Harper never explicitly said that those key phrases were doctored as he knew they were in fact a faithful recording of his words. He dinshonestly siezed upon the suggestion it was doctored and upheld that claim in the hops that some part of the recording had problems with it.

At no time has Harper recanted his story about offering financial considerations to Chuck for having him rejoin the CPC and cast his vote with them. Thats a bribe and it was purely to get that vote. Harper knew full well Chucks state of health because he knew him fairly well as he had said before. He had also met with him prior to his bagmans visit.

He knew full well that Chuck was too ill to fight what would have been and was a bitter campaign when it got waged mater on.

Stephen Harper tried to bribe a dying man in order to secure his vote.

'nuff said.

[Reverend Blair]

I think it's time to have Steve testify under oath. then we can see if he's low enough to perjure himself too.

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Stephen Harper tried to bribe a dying man in order to secure his vote.

'nuff said.

NO he didn't. On yer bike.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Stephen Harper tried to bribe a dying man in order to secure his vote.

'nuff said.

NO he didn't. On yer bike.

We got him tape there sunshine.

The logic you are trying to use is the same one the mob tride to use to defend themselves in court by saying they didn't actually mean kill the guy when they order somebody to "whack" somebody else. They just meant a swift slap on the noggin.

Stephen Harper tried to bribe a dying man in order to secure his vote.

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Stephen Harper tried to bribe a dying man in order to secure his vote.

'nuff said.

NO he didn't. On yer bike.

We got him tape there sunshine.

The logic you are trying to use is the same one the mob tride to use to defend themselves in court by saying they didn't actually mean kill the guy when they order somebody to "whack" somebody else. They just meant a swift slap on the noggin.

Stephen Harper tried to bribe a dying man in order to secure his vote.

What logic? I though we were just throwing out witty little sayings.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

What logic? I though we were just throwing out witty little sayings.

I see. You just decided to not read everything above it.

See only what you want to see is that it?

Actually that sums up the entire con position on the whole Cadman affair nicely. They see only what they want to see.

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

RUEZ RUEZ:

What logic? I though we were just throwing out witty little sayings.

I see. You just decided to not read everything above it.

See only what you want to see is that it?

Actually that sums up the entire con position on the whole Cadman affair nicely. They see only what they want to see.

HaHa mellow out dude. I know your position on the alleged Cadman bribing. You say they were bribing him. I say they were reassuring him that if the government was brought down he would be ok. My only argument is that unless Harper went into that room and said here Chucky baby here's something for your trouble, he didn't bribe him.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

HaHa mellow out dude. I know your position on the alleged Cadman bribing. You say they were bribing him. I say they were reassuring him that if the government was brought down he would be ok. My only argument is that unless Harper went into that room and said here Chucky baby here's something for your trouble, he didn't bribe him.

Thats just not the case. He sent his guys over on the eve of a cruicial vote and to say they give him "financial considedrations" for voting their way.

Thats a bribe. He did not send them over to assure Cadman he would be looked after financially (which election law and political donations do anyway) to fight an election that Harper knew full well he was to ill to fight.

I just love how you guys seem to think that any innuendo and rumour against the Libs constitutes ironclad proof but when your own guys actually get caught on tape admiting guilt you bend over backwards trying to spin it any possible way.

When Adscam happened the Liberals themselves called for the highest possible investigation and cooperated fully.

Harper has done everything possible not to cooperate, silence those involved, and cast doubt on his own taped words which he knew were correct.

Its clear he is guilty.

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I just love how you guys seem to think that any innuendo and rumour against the Libs constitutes ironclad proof but when your own guys actually get caught on tape admiting guilt you bend over backwards trying to spin it any possible way.

Who's you guys? And what rumour against the Libs am I holding as ironclad proof? I've also never heard Harper on tape admitting guilt to anything. If so wouldn't he be resigning right now?

[ridenrain]

A good opposite example would be where The Dose tried to bribe Germont Grewal.

If he's so guilty, why is his wife still running for the same people?
Give it up. You have no proof and just repeating it over and over isn't going to work.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

I just love how you guys seem to think that any innuendo and rumour against the Libs constitutes ironclad proof but when your own guys actually get caught on tape admiting guilt you bend over backwards trying to spin it any possible way.

Who's you guys? And what rumour against the Libs am I holding as ironclad proof? I've also never heard Harper on tape admitting guilt to anything. If so wouldn't he be resigning right now?

The cons is ÿou guys".

Harper did admit it. What did you expect on tape? Harper laughing about offering a fake life insurance policy in an interview for a book?

Its clear he wanted that vote and its clear he was willing to offer financial considerations to get it.

Thats a bribe.

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

The cons is ÿou guys".

Don't lump me in with "you guys" unless you can back that up.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

A good opposite example would be where The Dose tried to bribe Germont Grewal.

If he's so guilty, why is his wife still running for the same people?
Give it up. You have no proof and just repeating it over and over isn't going to work.

Except that they pitched it to him.

$1:

The tapes scandal - in which Grewal in May recorded a series of phone conversations and meetings with health minister Ujjal Dosanjh and Tim Murphy, the prime minister's chief of staff about possible rewards if he and his wife MP Nina Grewal crossed the floor to join the Liberals - has triggered investigations by the RCMP and the federal ethics commissioner.

The explosive revelation came just after Tory MP Belinda Stronach crossed the floor to join the Liberals, and just before she and Surrey North MP Chuck Cadman helped the Liberals narrowly win a crucial May 19 budget vote and stave off an election. But instead of shining a spotlight on Liberal corruption, the Grewal tapes soon backfired. The Tories released selected segments and transcripts - fuelling a perception that they were hiding damaging material.

"We were short of time," Grewal said. "When you do this kind of thing, admittedly errors do happen."

They ultimately released all the recordings, posting them both on the web and providing them to the RCMP. But Grewal says that created an incorrect impression that he hoarded a full set of tapes he only released later.

In fact, he says he gave the Conservative communications office everything he had immediately.

Grewal says the RCMP's later request for tapes were for personal copies identical to the ones he had already provided.
"There are no 'new' tapes," Grewal said, calling it one of the elements the national media in particular has most persistently misreported.

Since then a series of other allegations against Grewal have emerged - often from Liberal-connected complainants - questioning the legitimacy of his immigration status, political contribution cheques and his behaviour at the airport one day in June. The nine-year MP says his foes are motivated by a desire to keep the public focus away from both the sponsorship scandal and the taped evidence that the Liberals engaged in vote-buying.

Seems Grewal was guilty and he was discliplined for it.

In other words the CPC tried to implicate the Liberals in a false bribe scheme all the while planning their own.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

The cons is ÿou guys".

Don't lump me in with "you guys" unless you can back that up.

I'm allowed to lump people togeather if I see the connection just as you are allowed to complain to Kenmore about his behaviour.