[travior]

Have you ever actually dealt with someone that is in diabetic shock? I have, many times. I am an EMT. These people have no idea what they are doing and their bodies take on super-human strength. We had one guy here at work that we have had to deal with a lot. He is only about 5'5" and probably only about 140 pounds but he is almost more than four people can handle safely. Thank goodness he is finally on an insulin pump.

Granted, tasering is a bit extreme, but without any of us being there and knowing the exact circumstances, we do not know if this was extreme or not. If you wait until they crash completely, it is far more dangerous for the patient.

[ShepherdsDog]

really?? and what is this world of difference?

[llama66]

Regina Regina:

llama66 llama66:

if you use the flashlight...then you need a phonebook too...

You're right...........and that would certainly involve more paper work.

I was being facetious.
but on a serious note, the cops have to make split decisions, this guy was allegedly combative and attempted to bite a cop, (biting a cop can be considered assault with a deadly weapon...they don't know what he may have)I think tasering him was the right choice, considering the other options on the cops belt is collapsible baton, or sidearm. the police will not, nor should they put up with an attack on their person.

[novachick]

I think duct tape over the wife's mouth might help here. The husband wants to let it go so she screams it to the media, massive respect going on in that marriage

The police are in a no win here. If they didn't taser him and he seriously injured a paramedic, they would be called on the public mat for it. If they did nothing and he died , yep lucky them in the public spotlight of door number two. If he managed to get an officers gun, well one half of the public would be calling him a cop killer. The other half would be calling the police stupid. Yep, makes me want to run right out and become a police officer

[ziggy]

Most people can tell the difference between an epileptic seizure and a diabetic one.An epileptic going through a seizure wont be combative where as a diabetic can.

They could have waited untill he went unconscious but i think they did the right thing.

Someone going through a seizure can exhibit the same signs as intoxication,including becomeing violent.

In an epileptic or gran mal seizure you pretty well cant do anything except clear any obstructions and wait for it to end.

[ziggy]

This is one reason everyone should take at least a basic first aid course,if his wife did she may have recognized the symptoms as his blood sugar levels dropped to those levels and she could have taken appropriate action.

Some people have even used that excuse to beat an impaired driving charge,when pulled over they fake a diabetic seizure which gets you an immediate ride to the hospital.

[Regina]

llama66 llama66:

I was being facetious.

Noooo....really?

[ShepherdsDog]

ziggy ziggy:

This is one reason everyone should take at least a basic first aid course,if his wife did she may have recognized the symptoms as his blood sugar levels dropped to those levels and she could have taken appropriate action.

Some people have even used that excuse to beat an impaired driving charge,when pulled over they fake a diabetic seizure which gets you an immediate ride to the hospital.

.....and seconds after they do a simple check on your blood at the hospital, you're in even deeper shit for lying to the cop. A tiny drop of blood from your finger tip will reveal your glycemic level in about 6 seconds.

[ziggy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

ziggy ziggy:

This is one reason everyone should take at least a basic first aid course,if his wife did she may have recognized the symptoms as his blood sugar levels dropped to those levels and she could have taken appropriate action.

Some people have even used that excuse to beat an impaired driving charge,when pulled over they fake a diabetic seizure which gets you an immediate ride to the hospital.

.....and seconds after they do a simple check on your blood at the hospital, you're in even deeper shit for lying to the cop. A tiny drop of blood from your finger tip will reveal your glycemic level in about 6 seconds.

It's been done.cop figures hes got a medical emergency and calls ems,they pick him up and the cop go's on his merry way.

They dont know what he has at the hospital.Like their going to prick his finger,call him a liar and call the cops back. He be going for tests.

My buds run the ambulance service here,it's been done.

[Regina]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

ziggy ziggy:

This is one reason everyone should take at least a basic first aid course,if his wife did she may have recognized the symptoms as his blood sugar levels dropped to those levels and she could have taken appropriate action.

Some people have even used that excuse to beat an impaired driving charge,when pulled over they fake a diabetic seizure which gets you an immediate ride to the hospital.

.....and seconds after they do a simple check on your blood at the hospital, you're in even deeper shit for lying to the cop. A tiny drop of blood from your finger tip will reveal your glycemic level in about 6 seconds.

Along with a vile of blood that tells them how much you've had to drink. The actual blood sample is even more accurate than blowing up the balloon.

[ziggy]

Most cops dont do follow ups on medicals and usually there's only one on at the time.When you get to the hospital their going to treat you for shock first right? They dont know you are in diabetic shock,you could be having any sort of problem so unless a cop really wanted to follow up thinking the guy was pissed it wouldnt go much farther than that.You could even fake a heart attack,it,s been done.

Not to mention the BAC would be read at the hospital and could be an hour since the guy was behind the wheel untill the time the test was done.People buy time any way they can,that's how they beat impaireds.

What if you refused to give a sample at the hospital? Would they have to call back a cop? I dont know if they can force you to give a blood sample without some kind of criminal intent.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

They dont know what he has at the hospital.Like their going to prick his finger,call him a liar and call the cops back.

....in a word, yes. That would be one of the first things they would do, if they suspected a hypoglycemic reaction. You need to eliminate probable causes as rapidly as possible. If the guy is a diabetic, they aren't going to start a glucose drip on him.

[ziggy]

if he's hypoglycemic then he needs sugar,giving him anything sweet wont make him any worse.
Maybe your confusing it with hyperglycemic? (needs insulin)

[ShepherdsDog]

no, I'm not. They'd bring his blood sugars up with a quick acting glucose source(which has an almost instantaneous reaction, which is why most diabetics carry hard candy, because it doesn't take much to boost the blood sugars). They certainly wouldn't put him on an IV drip with glucose, unless they wanted him to go into renal failure, it'd have to be a saline drip.

[Regina]

ziggy ziggy:

if he's hypoglycemic then he needs sugar,giving him anything sweet wont make him any worse.
Maybe your confusing it with hyperglycemic? (needs insulin)

Doesn’t matter. If you roll into a hospital with what they think is a Diabetic reaction you’re going to get the blood test. If that turns up normal then you get more blood work done Stat. At that point they’ve already smelled the booze and are probably pissed at some drunk clown wasting their time. I believe it’s also the responsibility of the physician at that point to report it to the police.