[Terence]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Is it really that much different than a union telling their members how to vote?
It's a stupid plan for stupid people.

My Dad was a 25 year CAW member and a red Tory his whole life. The liberals and conservations hated the fact the union gave 10,000s of thousands a year in dues to the NDP.

Everyone takes one in the ass once in a while.

[westmanguy]

lol, well i know of some Tories who are voting NDP in ridings the Tories don't have a hope in hell at winning.

Because the mentality is if the Conservatives aren't competitive in the riding, you don't want the Liberals to win, so you vote NDP.

If I was in some socialist GTA riding, i'd probably vote NDP strategically.

[ridenrain]

Each vote is worth a little less than $2 to the party.

I'd like to see an end of union dues and associations being used to support political parties.

[putz]

Doesn't this undermine some of the basic princicpals that our electoral system is based upon????

[herbie]

Oh come on lily, you don't expect us to believe there's NDPers in the military do you?
What's next, you gonna try to tell us some preachers and businessmen are NDP too?

[kenmore]

ridiculous.. whats the point.. so she votes lib for the person in missisauge who votes green for her..? the libs are going to win this election (prob minority but liberal) and the person in Mississauga loses her vote.. dumb..

[Terence]

kenmore, you need to lay off the koolaid - it has fermented, and you sir are drunk!

Liberal minority? stop ing now!

[Public_Domain]

[Streaker]

putz putz:

Doesn't this undermine some of the basic princicpals that our electoral system is based upon????

I think that's the idea. But it's also a reflection of the fact that our electoral system is woefully outdated.

[Tricks]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I'd like to see an end of unions

Fixed.

[meaden24]

I think it's funny all these dumb ideas being thrown out there to stop the con's. Instead of voting for the best platform these morons that probably know nothing of federal politics are pulling shit like this that just makes the conservatives look stronger. I want to see all these sites and all the crying by these hippies after Harper gets his majority, hopefully they'll all get the hell out of the country.

[bootlegga]

Streaker Streaker:

I think that's the idea. But it's also a reflection of the fact that our electoral system is woefully outdated.

No doubt. If I thought there was someone who would swap votes with me, I'd probably do it out of sheer frustration with the current system.

Due to some great gerrymandering a few years ago, my area in NE Edmonton, which stretched all the way to the downtown core (Edmonton East), was switched to a distant suburban riding (Edmonton Sherwood Park), which stretches all the way to Elk Island National Park! The MP doesn't give a fig about us because this portion of the riding votes more centre or left than the rest of the riding.

It's really hard to get jazzed about an election when the Conservative candidate wins by a four to one margin because of all the farmers and rich doctors/lawyers who want a Conservative MP. I'd love PR, but the neither big party is willing to embrace it because it might mean a seat or two for the Greens and a few more for the NDPs. Personally, I would sacrifice that if it meant my vote actually meant something.

[Alta_redneck]

bootlegga bootlegga:

It's really hard to get jazzed about an election when the Conservative candidate wins by a four to one margin because of all the farmers and rich doctors/lawyers who want a Conservative MP.

All the farmers

At the very most there are only 4 farm families in 1 square mile or 1 section of land. There could be a couple more families if say the son or daughter have built a house on the home stead. But then again there aren't to many farmer's making a go of it on just a 1/4 section of land. So I'll still say 4 families to a sq/mile.

rich doctors/lawyers

I know what your talking about Boot, there's a ton of acreages west of the Park. I don't go off of the beaten path to see them all, but the one's along 21 look like there about 10 acre lots. That works out to about 64 families a sq/mile.

Can you tell me how many families live in 1 sq/mile of city?

[bootlegga]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

All the farmers

At the very most there are only 4 farm families in 1 square mile or 1 section of land. There could be a couple more families if say the son or daughter have built a house on the home stead. But then again there aren't to many farmer's making a go of it on just a 1/4 section of land. So I'll still say 4 families to a sq/mile.

rich doctors/lawyers

I know what your talking about Boot, there's a ton of acreages west of the Park. I don't go off of the beaten path to see them all, but the one's along 21 look like there about 10 acre lots. That works out to about 64 families a sq/mile.

Can you tell me how many families live in 1 sq/mile of city?

Take a look at Edmonton Sherwood Park, the only part of Edmonton that is 'urban' is Beverly and Clareview. How many families live north of 167th avenue? Not many, it's all farms. Same goes for east of 17th street. The rest of the district is Sherwood Park (full of rich lawyers and doctors), and there are plenty of farmers in Strathcona County. BTW, who do you think lives on those acreages in the Stratcona County, people selling coffee at Tim Horton's or doctors amd lawyers?


http://www.kenepp.com/admin/assets/ridingmap.gif

$1:

In 2003 Canada's federal government redistributed our country's federal electoral districts, drawing new boundaries and renaming most constituencies. Ken Epp MP was elected in 1993 as the Member of Parliament for the Elk Island constituency, and has served in this capacity until the riding was renamed Edmonton Sherwood Park in 2003.

Edmonton Sherwood Park

Population: 103,610

Consisting of:

the City of Fort Saskatchewan;

that part of the City of Edmonton lying northerly and easterly of a line described as follows: commencing at the intersection of the easterly limit of said city with the right bank of the North Saskatchewan River; thence northeasterly along said bank to the Canadian National Railway (immediately north of Yellowhead Trail); thence westerly along said railway to its intersection with the Canadian National Railway running southwest–northeast; thence northeasterly along said railway to 50 Street (north of 137 Avenue); thence northwesterly along said street to Manning Drive (Highway No. 15); thence northeasterly along said drive to 167 Avenue; thence westerly along said avenue to 97 Street (Highway No. 28); thence northerly along said street to the northerly limit of said city; and

that part of Strathcona County lying westerly of Highway No. 21 and northerly of Township Road 522 (Highway No. 628).

http://www.kenepp.com/ridinginfo/Default.asp

So, the gerrymandering took districts from an urban riding and added them to what was formerly a rural one, the Elk Island riding...I rest my case.

$1:

Edmonton-Sherwood Park was created in 2004 by combining 57 per cent of the Elk Island riding with 28 per cent of Edmonton Centre-East and eight per cent of Edmonton North.

About 13 per cent of those in this riding are immigrants. Retail and manufacturing are major employers. The average family income was $75,488 and unemployment was 4.7 per cent in 2001.

http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/riding/256/

Yeah, that sure sounds like an awful lot of Edmonton...geographically it is huge, but almost empty of people. Most of it is farm land or light industrial in the NE. The total population of the riding is 103,610, with almost 70,000 in Strathcona County and another 15,000 in Fort Saskatchewan (82% outside Edmonton), so yeah, calling it an Edmonton riding is a farce. I also don't think too many families living in Beverly or Clareview are enjoying an "average family income was $75,488" either. Feel free to compare the average dwelling in Clareview/Beverly with those in Sherwood Park or Fort Saskatchewan and you'll quickly see what I mean. Lower income voters generally vote for parties other than the Conservatives, so by altering these two ridings, all they did was make it easier for their own candidates to win in both. Frankly, I'm surprised that the other parties went for it, unless they got a similar concession in another riding soemwhere else.

[westmanguy]

OMG

LILY

Your opinion must hold great weight.

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