[DerbyX]

lily lily:

Nice try, Derby.

Morgentaler was doing his job... period. He wasn't advocating for women's rights.


I also wish to add... your response to ridenrain is far too "personal".

Yes he was advocating womens rights. You don't do what he did nor go to jail, nor suffer what he went through if it was just for "a job".

You are letting your own person feelings cloud your judgement.

Clearly he believed in what he was doing and he did every Canadian women a great service.

http://archives.cbc.ca/society/crime_ju ... s/107-784/

As for my response to ridenhacks, well that was right on the money. He made it personal as he always does when he tries to do whatever he can to hoist blame on the Liberals. To me thats personal and he got what he deserved.

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[DerbyX]

lily lily:

$1:

Clearly he believed in what he was doing and he did every Canadian women a great service.

No, he didn't.

$1:

As for my response to ridenhacks, well that was right on the money. He made it personal as he always does when he tries to do whatever he can to hoist blame on the Liberals. To me thats personal and he got what he deserved.

Again... no.

Again, your opinion on both is not mine. The millions of women who believe he did them a service invalidate your belief that he didn't.

The fact is that he ensured that women who believe its their right achieved just that.

Lets discuss you saying the man didn't actually beleive in what he was doing and that he was only in it for the money just because you don't beleive women have the right to choose.

That was personal. That was uncalled for. That was insulting.

[DerbyX]

mtbr mtbr:

[popcorn]

Its Canada day so you might grab a to wash it down with.

[DerbyX]

lily lily:

$1:

Again, your opinion on both is not mine. The millions of women who believe he did them a service invalidate your belief that he didn't.

Nice to see you've downgraded from your original claim that "he did every Canadian women a great service".

Don't play word games. He did do every Canadian women a service whether or not they would ever get an abortion themselves because they will always have that right should they change their mind.

[ridenrain]

Thanks Lily, but this is the usual responce of a goon.
To draw a hockey analogy, when the opponents make a good play, it's the goons job to punish him with a check into the boards or a wack to the head. The goon can't play better so he gets personal.

While I understand the side that believes the doctor should recieve this medal, I believe this move was purely done to embarass the current government. The fact is though, the award recomendation group is independant of this government and not subject to a PM Veto. Whatever fall out simply won't stick because we didn't make the recomendation.

If the CPC is quick, they could turn this around as just another example of a un-representative bureaucracy playing politics instead of doing what the majority of Canadians wanted.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Thanks Lily, but this is the usual responce of a goon.
To draw a hockey analogy, when the opponents make a good play, it's the goons job to punish him with a check into the boards or a wack to the head. The goon can't play better so he gets personal.

While I understand the side that believes the doctor should recieve this medal, I believe this move was purely done to embarass the current government. The fact is though, the award recomendation group is independant of this government and not subject to a PM Veto. Whatever fall out simply won't stick because we didn't make the recomendation.

If the CPC is quick, they could turn this around as just another example of a un-representative bureaucracy playing politics instead of doing what the majority of Canadians wanted.

The goon here is you nad your baseless attempt to label this as a Liberal ploy.

From the article: Dr. Morgentaler's supporters have made at least three large, organized attempts to nominate the man who has changed the face of the health-care system.

What were the other attempts then? Considering the likelihood they happened during a Liberal tenure were they then Tory attempts to emberass the Liberals?

Once again you fail to see the obvious. You claim you are opposed to the Order of Canada procedure yet that procedure isn't an invention of the Liberal party is it?

Further more you ignored the truth that Dr. Morgentalers supporters are the people pushing for this award and its not being done at Dions request yet to you its obviously just a Liberal plot.

If your goal is to oppose the actual procedure for the awarding of the OoC then you should have done so with despicably trying to pin whatever blame you could on the Libertals.

[herbie]

There's nothing "dirty" about profit. You imply that because Al Gore makes money promoting a cause, that cause is invalid. Or that Bill Gates shouldn't promote his charities.
Restate your opinion, eliminating the fact Morgentaler made any personal benefit.

Did he do something worthy of recognition? You're the only female responding, so your opinion carries some weight.

[DerbyX]

lily lily:

You do NOT speak for "every Canadian women (sic)", Derby.

And nice of you to assume those of us who are against abortion are hypocrites at heart.

No I don't. Its my opinion that he did every Canadian women a service but I see you haven't addressed the fact that you stated your own opinion as fact in that he was only doing it for money and didn't care about the rights of women.

Like it or not the fact that he helped ensure your right to have an abortion is a service. You won't ever be forced to get one but should you decide someday that you want one, well that man went to jail to make sure you can get one.

Thats the very definition of doing someone a service.

[DerbyX]

herbie herbie:

There's nothing "dirty" about profit. You imply that because Al Gore makes money promoting a cause, that cause is invalid. Or that Bill Gates shouldn't promote his charities.
Restate your opinion, eliminating the fact Morgentaler made any personal benefit.

Did he do something worthy of recognition? You're the only female responding, so your opinion carries some weight.

Brenda hasn't chimed in yet and neither has Novachick or any of other CKA women posters here who believe its their right to choose.

[ridenrain]

Derby: The proof will be in the media reaction to this. If the media blames the current government or focusses on the fact that the curent government is against awarding this medal, I will consider myself right.
If this wasn't a political move and the Doctor's supporters finally got their message through, then we'll see more about him and his benefits and not the political side.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Derby: The proof will be in the media reaction to this. If the media blames the current government or focusses on the fact that the curent government is against awarding this medal, I will consider myself right.
If this wasn't a political move and the Doctor's supporters finally got their message through, then we'll see more about him and his benefits and not the political side.

1) You aren't addressing the fact that if your actual beef is with the OoC award procedure then who and why getting the medal wouldn't matter.

2) The media and public will hold Harper's gov't accountable for opposing the medal based on his reasons just as they held every gov't accountable who opposed (if any) other OoC awards. If he opposes it based on their opposition to abortion then he should be held accountable because they made damn sure people knew their platform wasn't going to take away abortion as they knew that will drawn support away from them.

3) Read the article. 3 past attempts yet just because its Harper then it must be political? What logic are you using? Was it just as political when they did it to the Libs?

4) Even if it is politically motivated, on what basis do you blame the Liberals? You have no evidence at all do you? It might be people who hate both the Libs and CPC. You simply blamed the Liberals because you always do.

The real reason you are crying is because deep down you know that opposition to abortion is one of the factors that draws alot of support away from the CPC and that in order for them to slip this past the voters they need to quietly tell their supporters they will abolish it while pretending they won't publically until they can achieve a majority.

Publically bashing Morgentaller will blow their cover.

[DerbyX]

lily lily:

DerbyX DerbyX:

lily lily:

You do NOT speak for "every Canadian women (sic)", Derby.

And nice of you to assume those of us who are against abortion are hypocrites at heart.

No I don't. Its my opinion that he did every Canadian women a service but I see you haven't addressed the fact that you stated your own opinion as fact in that he was only doing it for money and didn't care about the rights of women.

Like it or not the fact that he helped ensure your right to have an abortion is a service. You won't ever be forced to get one but should you decide someday that you want one, well that man went to jail to make sure you can get one.

Thats the very definition of doing someone a service.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, Derby, it won't change the fact that he did NOT do "every Canadian women(sic) a service".

I wouldn't have one unless it was medically necessary - period - and for you to claim that he altruistically went to jail for me is complete bullshit.

Call me whatever you wish, but I am not a hypocrite.

Yes you are. You are acting like a giant hypocrite. You are opposed to abortion and are allowing your personal feelings to interfere with your judgement which is why you can't accept that he was doign what he felt was right.

Thats altruistic and the fact that he went to jail for the rights of Canadian women in defence of those very rights was a service.

Injecting your own bised opinion that he was only in it for the money is what is BS. IF he was only in it for the money then he could have very easily choosen a different medical path making far more money without even a fraction of the problems.

I hardly think operating 6 clinics performing what isn't a huge money making procedure and actually being paid to do it constitutes greed.

What matters is that Canadian women have the right to get an abortion and that man suffered persoanl hardship to help achieve that.

That makes him a worthy recipient of the OoC in my books.

[Heavy_Metal]

i'm sure all the sexual assault victims who he helped are in complete agreeance with you nay sayers...

call me crazy but i would think that a clean death before birth sure beats the hell out of dying in a garbage can somewhere...

[RUEZ]

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

i'm sure all the sexual assault victims who he helped are in complete agreeance with you nay sayers...

call me crazy but i would think that a clean death before birth sure beats the hell out of dying in a garbage can somewhere...

So it all boils down to a matter of opinion then?