[stemmer]

Pull out? You're kidding right?

Since the west invaded Afghanistan and the USA/England/Australia liberated Iraq there has been NO terrorist attacks against North America. Once we pull out we will be fighting these punks in our streets.... Better to be fighting these nut jobs on their land not ours...

[DerbyX]

stemmer stemmer:

Pull out? You're kidding right?

Since the west invaded Afghanistan and the USA/England/Australia liberated Iraq there has been NO terrorist attacks against North America. Once we pull out we will be fighting these punks in our streets.... Better to be fighting these nut jobs on their land not ours...

Piss on London and Madrid right?

Piss on all the attempts that were actually stopped not by soldiers over there but be security over here.

Fighting them in our streets? Get real.

I suppose losing all those lives and billions upon billions of dollars that could have been spent making our own lives better is better?

Yes pull out. Pull out now and send bush to be executed right along with saddam for killing so many innocent people.

Then pull completely out of every muslim land and tell them outright that whatever society they build for themselves is just that and that they will not look to us to help one group of muslims fight another group of muslims. They can help themselves in any natural disaster or pray to allah or whatever they want. Then we greatly restrict immigration and tell them muslims living here in no uncertain terms that they will abide by our laws and our freedoms or leave and that in no way will any of our citizens be subjected to muslim law in any way shape or form.

Attempting to justify an illegal and immoral occupation on the basis that it provides us (and only us) with greater security just lays the foundations for another nation attacking us in the same way under the same logic.

[Scape]

Pulling out is not an option.

We can't allow the forces of chaos to overwhelm this fledgling country. We have a harder time of it then say Haiti but never the less it's not something that can be left to its own fate. I wish we had more aid from the people in the area like China, India and Russia but they won't unless forced to and want this to fester. There should be some real international condemnation as they let this go on and they just watch.

[Zipperfish]

Scape Scape:

Pulling out is not an option.

We can't allow the forces of chaos to overwhelm this fledgling country. We have a harder time of it then say Haiti but never the less it's not something that can be left to its own fate. I wish we had more aid from the people in the area like China, India and Russia but they won't unless forced to and want this to fester. There should be some real international condemnation as they let this go on and they just watch.

Afghanistan is a fledgling country? It's been around longer than Canada.

[DerbyX]

Scape Scape:

Pulling out is not an option.

We can't allow the forces of chaos to overwhelm this fledgling country. We have a harder time of it then say Haiti but never the less it's not something that can be left to its own fate. I wish we had more aid from the people in the area like China, India and Russia but they won't unless forced to and want this to fester. There should be some real international condemnation as they let this go on and they just watch.

I disagree and I'm surprised you posted this.

Pulling out may be the only option because enough people are too pissed off to ever negotiate at the barrel of a gun. We would do no less.

The taliban has even said "no negotiations until we leave". Thats reason enough. We are assuming that those fighting us are actually trying to bring back a regime as oppressive as the one we deposed. Of that we have no proof. The vast majority of those fighting us are very likely people simply fighting who they believe are invaders and they are right.

There is every reason to believe that the afghanis we trained can handle their own country and if they can't then we have been deceived.

How is it that the people trained and equiped by us cannot police their country when their oposition consists of virtually untrained recruits that we call terroists.

Something is wrong unless we aren't getting the truth.

The fact is that we will never bring peace because to many people consider the presence of foreign troops as an insurmountable obstacle to peace.

We pull out and we allow them to negotiate with the taliban. They will find a solution that fits for them.

[Bodah]

I support our troops and their mission in Afghanistan, thats all I have to say on the matter. They are making a difference over there for the better.

The main reason why were there is this ....



So we can make sure it doesn't happen again and so far its working.

Too close for my comfort personally.

[DerbyX]

You guys love to think that 9/11 justifies everything.

How can an attack pulled off by saudi citizens trained to fly in the US be blamed on the taliban?

Even if such an attack validates us invading afghanistan then the us invasion/attacks on iraq validate them attacking the US ..... Directly.

How about the fact that the US provided every kind of assistance they could to the mujahadeen against the soviets thereby attacking them by proxy. Did that allow them to attack the US justly?

How about all the threats to Iran? If the US were threatened as such they would attack without hesitation. If iran having already been given ample reason to defend itself with a first strike were to launch an all out attack on US carriers in the gulf would you call it justifiable.

You guys only think we can justify our actions.

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

How can an attack pulled off by saudi citizens trained to fly in the US be blamed on the taliban?

I crack up every time someone like you posts that. Them being Saudi makes as much difference as if they were Chinese or Canadian. The Taliban protected them and allowed them to train in Afghanistan.

[commanderkai]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

How can an attack pulled off by saudi citizens trained to fly in the US be blamed on the taliban?

I crack up every time someone like you posts that. Them being Saudi makes as much difference as if they were Chinese or Canadian. The Taliban protected them and allowed them to train in Afghanistan.

I would have LOVED the "No War for Oil" protests after that one

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

How can an attack pulled off by saudi citizens trained to fly in the US be blamed on the taliban?

I crack up every time someone like you posts that. Them being Saudi makes as much difference as if they were Chinese or Canadian. The Taliban protected them and allowed them to train in Afghanistan.

It makes all the difference. The Taliban had no idea what they were planning else I think it would have been found out. All they ever knew was that devout muslims like themselves were living there.

We can't even control the country with 100X the resources yet we expected the taliban to do so?

Bolloxs. The IRA had a ton of sympathizers and a ton of funding from irish-Americans living in America. I don't recall the UK attacking the US. Yes its a bit apples and oranges but everytime this debate starts up the pro-war side simply ignores all the atrocities we have done and all our faults so that we can condemn theirs.

[DerbyX]

commanderkai commanderkai:

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

How can an attack pulled off by saudi citizens trained to fly in the US be blamed on the taliban?

I crack up every time someone like you posts that. Them being Saudi makes as much difference as if they were Chinese or Canadian. The Taliban protected them and allowed them to train in Afghanistan.

I would have LOVED the "No War for Oil" protests after that one

I would love for you guys to step up and recognize that even if the taliban ordered the attack it is no different then the US attacking Iraq.

What makes you guys think that 9/11 justifies the invasion of Afghanistan in light of the US invading Iraq?

[commanderkai]

DerbyX DerbyX:

It makes all the difference. The Taliban had no idea what they were planning else I think it would have been found out. All they ever knew was that devout muslims like themselves were living there.

We can't even control the country with 100X the resources yet we expected the taliban to do so?

Bolloxs. The IRA had a ton of sympathizers and a ton of funding from irish-Americans living in America. I don't recall the UK attacking the US. Yes its a bit apples and oranges but everytime this debate starts up the pro-war side simply ignores all the atrocities we have done and all our faults so that we can condemn theirs.

Do you have proof the Taliban was that fucking stupid to believe that the Pakistanis and Saudis coming into their country to stay in military style training camps for a month, which were ran by AQ, that they have no idea what AQ is or what they are doing? Please.

The Taliban knew AQ were a terrorist group, and they knew they were training in their country.

The IRA, and AQ are different. I think you answered our question. You can't just invade a country just because you got some ass kissers in that country. Who gives a shit what we did 200 years ago? The US government did not willingly let the IRA build training camps, we actively hunted them and arrested them...

[commanderkai]

DerbyX DerbyX:

I would love for you guys to step up and recognize that even if the taliban ordered the attack it is no different then the US attacking Iraq.

What makes you guys think that 9/11 justifies the invasion of Afghanistan in light of the US invading Iraq?

We demanded Osama's head. They didn't give it to us. They dug their own grave.

The Taliban willingly and knowingly let AQ be in their country. They harbored terrorists. We invaded them after demanding the surrender of such terrorists. Nobody, ever, ever, said that the Taliban ordered the attack

Stop comparing apples to oranges with Iraq and Afghanistan. The US attacked the Berber states when they funded pirate attacks back 200-300 years ago. They knowingly harbored pirates, and benefited from it. Iraq is a different situation from Afghanistan

[DerbyX]

$1:

Do you have proof the Taliban was that fucking stupid to believe that the Pakistanis and Saudis coming into their country to stay in military style training camps for a month, which were ran by AQ, that they have no idea what AQ is or what they are doing? Please.

Do you have proof they knew what they were planning? Its far more likely they knew that they were training to fight infidels in their own lands.

Who knows what they knew but I don''t believe they knew they were planning 9/11 and probably didn't like it one bit they pulled it off and brought everything on them.

$1:

The Taliban knew AQ were a terrorist group, and they knew they were training in their country.

Not for one second did they ever consider them a terrorist group.

$1:

The IRA, and AQ are different. I think you answered our question. You can't just invade a country just because you got some ass kissers in that country. Who gives a shit what we did 200 years ago? The US government did not willingly let the IRA build training camps, we actively hunted them and arrested them...

You would be surprised how many Americans of Irish ancestry remember the events of the British making it illegal to even speak Gaelic and the subsequent events that transpired.

So heinous were those actions that there is alot of collusion between the nazis and Irish, shockingly so.

You just made my point by not considering what we did compared to what they did.

[DerbyX]

commanderkai commanderkai:

DerbyX DerbyX:

I would love for you guys to step up and recognize that even if the taliban ordered the attack it is no different then the US attacking Iraq.

What makes you guys think that 9/11 justifies the invasion of Afghanistan in light of the US invading Iraq?

We demanded Osama's head. They didn't give it to us. They dug their own grave.

The Taliban willingly and knowingly let AQ be in their country. They harbored terrorists. We invaded them after demanding the surrender of such terrorists. Nobody, ever, ever, said that the Taliban ordered the attack

Stop comparing apples to oranges with Iraq and Afghanistan. The US attacked the Berber states when they funded pirate attacks back 200-300 years ago. They knowingly harbored pirates, and benefited from it. Iraq is a different situation from Afghanistan

Really? Yet another war supporter posted they offered him up but the US invaded anyway.

All they did was demand proof and who the fuck are the US to issue altimatums?

No matter how you slice it we are wrong for invading and all you are doing is justifying our violence the same way the people we fight justify theirs.