[DrCaleb]

newfette newfette:

at least its still going to be used for hockey games and cbc gets a new theme... shouldn't that make everyone happy?

No.

I'm not a first gen Canadian. My tribe doesn't have fancy dress, or dance rituals, or tribal tattoos or bonding ceremonies - except one.

It's every Saturday night, and it begins with certain music at a certain time on a certain frequency. And it's the one thing that we all share, coast to coast to coast, regardless of language spoken.

[newfette]

so now it'll be on a wednesday night instead of saturday

[warwickgreen]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's every Saturday night, and it begins with certain music at a certain time on a certain frequency. And it's the one thing that we all share, coast to coast to coast, regardless of language spoken.

Copyright music, on sale to the highest bidder. CBC could have bought it outright for a song years ago.

[Thanos]

Hopefully the CBC replacement song contest, which has train-wreck written all over it, doesn't end up in as much of a horrifying result as what happened when that god-awful Hank Williams Jr. song ruined Monday Night Football.

[C.M. Burns]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Hail capitalism! Good for CTV.

What a moron! This is no example of the triumph of capitalism.
CBC is a state funded broadcaster.
CTV is a coporate welfare recipient.
If the two played on a level field we might be able to call this capitalism.
Just about everything CTV does is protected by the state to keep out competition.
Look at The Comedy Network vs. Comedy Central. CRTC regs put in place to protect Canadian broadcasters make it illegal for any cable company or stellite broadcaster to carry Comedy Central. Same with the Movie Network and HBO or Showtime. There is no competition therefore there is no capitalism.

This is nothing but the triumph of greed. It's the rich getting richer and the poor getting what they always get.

[ridenrain]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Hail capitalism! Good for CTV.

What a moron! This is no example of the triumph of capitalism.
CBC is a state funded broadcaster.
CTV is a coporate welfare recipient.
If the two played on a level field we might be able to call this capitalism.
Just about everything CTV does is protected by the state to keep out competition.
Look at The Comedy Network vs. Comedy Central. CRTC regs put in place to protect Canadian broadcasters make it illegal for any cable company or stellite broadcaster to carry Comedy Central. Same with the Movie Network and HBO or Showtime. There is no competition therefore there is no capitalism.

This is nothing but the triumph of greed. It's the rich getting richer and the poor getting what they always get.

Who's fault is that?
Who set up such a system that excluded competition?

CBC thought they owned Curling anc CFL also, but they lost that market because they didn't take care of the customer. Soon they'll lose hocket too.

That point said, I wonder if the price wen't down. It's hard to imagine her selling that for ringtones or to anyone else after it's been so entrenched.

[Thanos]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

This is nothing but the triumph of greed. It's the rich getting richer and the poor getting what they always get.

I doubt it. It's hardly unfair that the person who owns the song makes a fair market value off of the property she owns. That the CBC couldn't use four decades worth of advertising revenue, from their most popular program ever to boot, and endless government funding to purchase outright the rights to the song is their own damn fault. This whole thing is just another timely reminder (just like the pure idiocy of them almost getting rid of Don Cherry and Ron MacLean) that the CBC definitely isn't run by business-people, it is and always has been run by hapless out-of-touch government hacks.

The day that CTV eventually owns HNIC in total can't happen soon enough. That Bob Cole will finally be put out to pasture when it occurs will be merely the smallest benefit that results.

[acidcomplex]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

No.

I'm not a first gen Canadian. My tribe doesn't have fancy dress, or dance rituals, or tribal tattoos or bonding ceremonies - except one.

It's every Saturday night, and it begins with certain music at a certain time on a certain frequency.

And just think, if CBC werent such cheap asses you could still be doing just that. Thank CBC for that one. Funny how CBC "couldn't come to an agreement" yet CTV did it in record time.

[Chumley]

Thanos Thanos:

Hopefully the CBC replacement song contest, which has train-wreck written all over it, doesn't end up in as much of a horrifying result as what happened when that god-awful Hank Williams Jr. song ruined Monday Night Football.

Hey, maybe it will be like American Idol

[ridenrain]

Here's my entry CBC:

http://www.staffannouncer.com/mrdressup/dressuptheme.wma

[Stellar]

There are three parties here, one publicly owned, one privately owned, and one that deals out the cards to one of the other two buyers.

CBC’s revenue comes from our tax dollars, its purpose is not to gain the profit that CTV is earning but to provide Canadian content to the public. In short, CBC doesn’t make half what CTV makes, so to draw up a comparison using the same criteria for each of the two broadcasting companies would be quite skewed.

The blame, really, should go toward Claman. She was being given $500 each time CBC played her jingle, and look how many games are played in a week for a year. Further, look at how many channels CBC has that broadcasts her songs. They have over three. Point being, they have a great deal of broadcasts of that song, and Claman is receiving a good amount of revenue for all of it.

I mean it begs the question, is that amount of money really to small for her? Would she really be “saddened” that the deal collapsed when she on her own will let the deal fall through? Would she actually be saddened when she knew she was going to sacrifice that much of Canada’s culture to satisfy her greed?

CBC for 14 months attempted to negotiate with Claman and come to a mutual agreement, they wanted to include the lawsuit as well as the future contract, but Claman chose to make it separate. Then, when last week rolled around, CBC offered an offer nearly identical to hers, and as a result she gave no response, but instead apparently turned to CTV and began talking to them. In fact, Claman and her publishers were seemingly vary reluctant to talk to CBC, not outlining the details and exact figures of the deal. Remember, CBC has a responsibility being a government-run corporation, and arnt in the same liberty to just hand out their money to some shady deal.

As you can see, a severe lack of communication was also apparent on Claman’s part. CBC also offered to buy the royalties out right for around 1 million dollars, and chances are – CTV bought the song from 1.3 to over 3 million dollars in perpetuity. Something that CBC, being a state run company is unable to afford.

And NOT to mention, Claman brought in another problem on the negotiation table by suing CBC in 2004, making the chance for a new deal even harder, once again a burden that CTV doesn’t have.

Now I’m not saying that CBC doesn’t have other shitty programs that should be cut, all Im saying is that CBC holds the responsibility of the tax-payers which cannot be in competition with CTV. On Claman’s side, she had a lot of money coming her way with CBC’s original deal, and quite frankly I believe its fair to say that she decided to sell out her Canadian pride to her greed and thanks to her, we lost a piece of our culture.

That song is our song, she made it, but we as a society formed it into what it is today – a piece of our culture. We are the ones who made her rich, we are the ones that made it apart of what we say when we call ourselves Canadian. Morally, that’s our song as Canadians, which has been taken away thanks to the result of one’s greed. So stop completely blaming CBC, and instead do some research and realize they aren’t as flexible as it appears.

Regards,
Stellar.

[commanderkai]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Hail capitalism! Good for CTV.

What a moron! This is no example of the triumph of capitalism.
CBC is a state funded broadcaster.
CTV is a coporate welfare recipient.
If the two played on a level field we might be able to call this capitalism.
Just about everything CTV does is protected by the state to keep out competition.
Look at The Comedy Network vs. Comedy Central. CRTC regs put in place to protect Canadian broadcasters make it illegal for any cable company or stellite broadcaster to carry Comedy Central. Same with the Movie Network and HBO or Showtime. There is no competition therefore there is no capitalism.

This is nothing but the triumph of greed. It's the rich getting richer and the poor getting what they always get.

There is competition. CTV competes with Global which competes with CBC. CBC, a state entity, thus having a MASSIVE advantage, was beaten out by a more capitalist entity, CTV. Good for them for doing what CBC wouldn't.

And isn't greed a major force of capitalism? So the owner of the song sold it to a willing buyer, CTV, instead of an uncooperative one, the CBC.

And what's with the rich getting richer crap? The CBC isn't some poor small business, and the insult was laughable too. You're basically showing how government involvement screws competition, and what little competition there is (the three networks mentioned earlier) somehow beat out the massive state group that thought it could stifle competition and have a government monopoly on all television due to their arrogance.

[Scape]

commanderkai, look above your post.

[commanderkai]

Scape Scape:

commanderkai, look above your post.

As much as CBC is not there to make money, that does not mean it does not have advantages. For one, it does have financial backing from the government. Second, it does, at least under the assumption, believe it has a monopoly control over parts of the Canadian television market, like HNIC. Third, the CBC, if it was JUST for providing content to people, should run more like PBS instead of CTV, it's a state corporation, making shitloads of money on commercials during the HNIC, for example.

So the person who owns the song was greedy...so freaking what? The CBC could of bowed to her demands for the people, but instead didn't. CTV took her place. Capitalism over socialism

[ridenrain]

If you noticed, the CBC are very publicly crying about their funding. They fired the studio band and now they can't afford to sustain a Canadian icon like this. What do you bet that this is going to be a large part of the next election.

Oh well, Al-Jezera is always looking for good, anti-American types.